Less Details, Less Scheduling … anyone else?

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  • Well, I’m not horrified by any means, lol! But I know that I need more discipline in my life or we’d probably never get anything done and I’m afraid my oldest son, only 7, has the same tendencies. And I can’t really let him choose the books or subjects to much degree or we pretty much wouldn’t do anything. Undecided 

    That being said, I wouldn’t be quite as worried about how much time we are spending on things (ie: sticking very close to our schedule) if I wasn’t hsing my niece, who doesn’t live with us. I don’t think its fair to her mom and family to keep her much past lunch. One of my beliefs about why hsing is better than ps is that the child has much more time with her family. Her mom needs time with her too to teach her handicrafts and housekeeping stuff, as well as whatever fun things they should have the time for. If I keep her as long as ps does, where’s the benefit to the family? So that’s actually my reasoning behind my scheduling goals.

    So that’s our story Wink!  Becky

    Janell
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    Now that I have older AND younger children, it has been more of a juggling act around here. I am going from less structure to more structure to get it all in…but the same atmosphere of living books, nature studies, handicrafts, and other Charlotte Mason methods. My older children have a lot of room for their own choices with accountability built in. I agree that you are not an unschooler.  You seem to be a mama motivator and mover. 

    Oh, the online organizer helps me to see what we have accomplished. I am always amazed at our reports. I enter all sorts of things into it like flying our kites, science experiments, trips to the zoo, making bread. I think it would benefit you as well because it is not just for scheduling but also for on the fly recording what has been accomplished.  But of course it is not for everybody…but I have been 100% consistent in my homeschool records since April 7th.

    Now I am just working on getting my bed made every morning…my DD13 has to do it for me. Wink

    Janell

     

    sheraz
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    I go back and forth on this…sometimes too much detail leaves me feeling like a failure because life happens and I didn’t get the check off list done, and that nags at me sooo bad.  And other times I need the details to feel like we are moving forward, hence the back and forth.  This is what I am doing so far this year:

    I planned out what topics and books I want.  (I too refer to the state’s plan to help me have an idea of what the PS kids are doing, even if I am not doing it) I used the Planning Your CM Education to the point of the week.  Then I just listed pages Week 1, 2, etc, with the topic for the week and all the books I have for that topic.  I decided to not say this amount has to be done this day, which leaves me the ability to pick and choose for a daily thing, yet keeps us moving along on a weekly schedule.  I have used the CMO and loved it, but also enjoy just keeping a basic journal of all things done that day which can include way more than I included on the CMO.  I am not as good about entering daily extras on there, so it is really not as complete a record as my journal can be.  Doing both is a great way to have good solid records. 

    I have more than 2 kids, so I am not able to just ask what do we want to do today…I ask what we want to start with, LOL.  I have a basic list of things for the kids to check off daily for their individual things and they like that.  I insist that we start with family stuff first, because it is so hard to drag everybody together after they get interested in their own thing…we are usually done with “book type” work in the morning, leaving the afternoon for nature study, handicrafts, life skills, creative art, etc.

    We get up at 7 and have breakfast and moring routines done, including family scriptures and prayer with Dad before he leaves.  I totally need my time alone with him and the silence (lol) after everyone is in bed…so that is why I insist on the early morning thing.  I also want to work on other stuff in the afternoons, whether it is reading, working around the yard, playing with the youngers, getting on this forum (haha), etc.  So that is what works for us.

    It is so amazing to see how many people can take an idea and apply it in their life different from anyone else and be so successful with it.  This is actually what drew me to CM…a few basic ideas and guidelines for incorporating those ideas, and I can be my own decision maker…love it, love it, love it.  I love seeing and learning from so many people.  I may not use the ideas today, but I make connections with it all at one time or another!  =)

    Its called freedom and individuality baby!Laughing

    Claire
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    I agree Becky!  Homeschooling is awesome for those reasons you mentioned.  And CM is so nicely adapted to what works for all of us when we’re all in our own unique spots.  My biggest bliss in CM has been watching my kids go from passive, neutral learners to kids who really enjoy learning, embrace new things and who are pretty much eager beavers every single day now.

    Sheraz – that is exactly where I started my first year with CM.  And honestly I go back to those same notes and sketches often to see how I worked through it and what changes worked and didn’t work.

    Janell – I would love a gleaming positive report from my planner!  That sounds nice.  My trouble with the online version is that my love of my computer and it’s fabulous blogs and cool, endless information sources is that I fear spending too much time on it trying to enter it all to get the gleaming report!

    The forum here has been a great resource for me.  Especially this little exchange!  Thanks ladies.  Lets keep it up since we all seem to be of the same mindset …  

    Tukata
    Participant

    Claire – Have you seen this website:  http://www.lifestyle-homeschool.com ?  Your post reminded me a lot of her methods – definitley parent-led/directed, but with freedom, seeing all of life as learning.  This has helped me when I have to take a day/time “off” academic lessons to deal with a character issue or even housecleaning – it’s all part of discipling our children.  We made the decision to school year-round so that life could happen and I wouldn’t be so stressed if I got “behind” one day.  It’s also enabled us to enjoy beautiful days outside and to school on rainy/too hot/snowy days. 

    Poodlemama – would you mind sharing more about how you do science.  I love the idea of studying a scientist and replicating experiments.  Thanks!

    Sue
    Participant

    @Claire – no, I did not particularly think of your homeschooling method as “unschooling,” just more laid back than some who post here. I suppose it was the free spirit in me that was attracted to unschooling a few years back, but my kids were young, we had just moved in with my elderly dad, and we were doing unit studies in a rather relaxed fashion while we all adjusted to the changes. Then, of course, about a year later, we began the process that led us to my son’s diagnosis with autism. We needed to have a certain amount of structure and routine for him. He has gotten to the point where he adapts to change and transistions a bit better, but if I was unschooling him, I think he would play with cars or beg to watch movies all day long!

    I do know an unschooling family, and I had to chuckle at your hypothetical example of the child playing video games for a whole month. This particular family doesn’t use their tv except for occasional movies/educational dvd’s and they don’t let the kids on the internet unless they are researching something for school. Smile

    Sue

    Claire
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    Sue – I did mean that in a sort of tounge in cheek way but I listen in on an unschooling list and there was a long discussion/debate about just that issue.  The consensus was that the child should be allowed to do just that until they choose to do something else.  And that the “problem” with it was with the parent and not the child.  Interesting stuff.  It always makes me stop and think about why I feel the way I do about things.  For that reason it’s a great list for me.  I too was drawn to unschooling when we began because I was so shell shocked at the way the kids were feeling about learning and I guess because we were all feeling kind of burnt out because I’d been working 70+ hours a week prior to my leaving that position and us all coming back home … we were fried! Smile

    “We made the decision to school year-round so that life could happen and I wouldn’t be so stressed if I got “behind” one day.  It’s also enabled us to enjoy beautiful days outside and to school on rainy/too hot/snowy days.”

    I agree so strongly with you Tukata, this one decision made all the difference for our atmosphere.  I’ll go check out that link.  Thanks!

     


    RobinP
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    I have three sons, 21, 8 and 7 so I’m homeschooling in two batches.  The oldest is a JR engineering major in college.  We’ve done CM homeschooling for years and I firmly believe it’s the best for my family.  One of my biggest regrets with my oldest, however, is that I did not know about CM’s beliefs about habits.  We were very laid back with schooling.  We started when we wanted, did what suited our fancy that day.  We just applied CM’s methods to those things…copywork, dictation, nature study, living books, narration, etc.  But it was just the two of us most days, unless dad was off.  We loved it all.  But when ds started college, it really hit him hard.  He did (and is doing) great with the actual work (although he hates the textbooks after being spoiled with living books all his life.)  But keeping to that rigid schedule has been very difficult.  I wish now I had had a bit more structure.  So with my youngest two, we have a schedule that we follow in the morning as CM did.  There are certain subjects we do on certain days.  It’s written there and they know it’s coming.    Then they usually have much of the afternoon “free.”  I’m not an organized, scheduled person by nature…at ALL…but after seeing my oldest struggle his first year of college, I’m convinced I’m doing the right thing with my youngers.  And honestly, I feel more relaxed schooling with a schedule.  I’m apt to get pulled off course and this helps us get back on track when I am.

    Just my experience.

    poodlemama
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    @Tukata.  FOR SCIENCE: This year we are studying Renaissance-about 1800 for History.  There are LOTS of great scientists during this time period.  I picked: Da Vinci, Capernicus, Galileo, Newton for this year. 

    Living books we plan to read (Several of these are already in the SCM mod guide)

    Leonardo DaVinci (by Diane Stanley)

    Nicolaus Copernicus, the Earth Is a Planet

    Starry Messenger: Galileo Galilei (for the younger two)

    Along Came Galileo (for my 5th grader)

    Isaac Newton and Physics for Kids: His Life and Ideas with 21 Activities

    The Ocean Of Truth (for my 5th grader)

    Experiments:

    Some of the book above have some ideas and I also have a science kit called “Milestones in Science”  that has the experiemnts and the equipment to do 100 “historical experiments”

     

    TracyM
    Member

    This is what I want to do this year.  I don’t need to plan math or grammar, their books are already divided up for me, they just do another less each day.  For the other subjects, we’ll be using more real books, no textbooks so what I’m planning to do is just make up a list of books for each child, the older ones will be more independent and I’ll work with the youngest who isn’t reading yet.  I’m also working on notes of things I want to have them do during the year like memorize the states or something like that, and work that in on a day that isn’t super busy.  For us, lesson plans have turned into a tedious disaster–if we don’t keep up exactly, I have to rewrite them.  Also some of the goals I’m writing down are related to their areas they really need work on with me because of the learning issues.  So…I’m really hoping with my booklists, goals list, and a general daily schedule, we’ll be able to cover everything I want to without the stress of trying to keep up with tiny details.

    suzukimom
    Participant

    Hm – maybe I fit somewhere in between….?

    I use the planning your CM education to figure out what we are doing for the year, and how often we need to do it to do what I hope to get done.   Things like Math, I just assume a lesson a day… I gave up trying to do a level a year when my son was in “grade 1” and the math book had 180? lessons… and he was having troubles with a concept in about lesson 5 or so……    Also for literature, I have a base amount of books, but have a general list of ones to add if we need more…

    I then use the planner to figure out what day of the week I want to do things, to try to balance them out….

    Then I put everything into the Organizer and use the daily sheets as a to-do list for the day.    Last year we did school basically 4 days a week, and on the 5th we had a “wild day” if everything was done… or we finished up what wasn’t done.  But for the most part, it wasn’t a big thing to worry about.   I put a dated assignment for me for mid-term and term ends… so I could have a quick look at where we were on each subject compared to where I hoped to be… and possibly adjust how often we do something.

    It sounded like more work than it was…..

     

    But I’ve been debating the 3on 1 off (weeks) this year.    I really have to figure things out more!

    Claire
    Participant

    @Robin – That is an interesting point about the struggles your son had with the college schedule after the relaxed schedule.  The ironic thing for me is that I think I view this self motivated or self regulated (to a degree as I’ve noted) learning as being helpful toward the children when they go off and must schedule their time and coursework.  I guess it could go either way.  Maybe it has a lot to do with individual personality? Or choice of study?

    @Tracy – I think you can do that beautifully!  I keep my planner almost as a journal of all our days lessons, activities, and interesting things that happened.  Sometimes I even note the weather as the women used to in the past. 

    The most wonderful thing I realize in homeschooling is that if it isn’t working, I can change it.

    @suskimom, I just enjoy your posts!  I don’t like the “on” “off” model because I can’t wrap my mind around it.  I want an atmosphere year round that says “we live, we learn” or some such thing.  But I realize too that we basically have the “off” when we need it randomly throughout our year, I just don’t announce it.  I’m super picky (wrong word maybe?) about the mood of the home and the schooling.  I like it to always feel very organic and very natural and very strewn with ideas. 

     

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