I have to admit that I have not been following the SCM curriculum guide very well in the Language Arts areas. I am seeing some problems and am wondering if the easy thing to do would be to just follow the guide (duh)
I have found myself searching for something else to use for spelling and language/grammar for my son. However, he is in the 2nd grade and should not be doing either one according to the SCM guide. (well, maybe English for the Thoughtful Child) We have been using Sandi Queen’s Spelling Through Copywork and her Language Lessons too. He gets VERY frustrated with the spelling words (like chew, for example. He said today,”oo” makes the “ooooo” sound! So, how am I suppose to know how to spell that word with an “ew”?) He also gets frustrated with the choppiness of the language workbook. Capitalize today, copywork for a week, plural nouns, capitalize review, etc. He also freaks out when there is an exercise with mistakes that he must go through and correct. Like today’s lesson: “Find all the words in this paragraph that should be capitalized.” Do I need to just focus on phonics and reading and forget the spelling and language work for now? It seems like he should learn spelling along with his phonics, right? That would make more sense to him. We are using Explode the Code books (he really likes them) so I could use those words for spelling practice, I guess. It is just scary to totally DROP language and spelling!!!
Then my daughter…..she is doing okay with Spelling Wisdom.She can spell ANYTHING anyway. However, she is not doing much copywork and is a little bored with her Queen’s language book. According to the guide she should not be doing spelling or grammar either! HA! I’m not doing a very good job here……..
So…..
1. According to the guide I could drop spelling, do English for the Thoughtful Child (maybe), do daily copywork, reading practice, and phonics for 2nd grade…..??
2. Does the copywork reinforce spelling? How do we jump from no spelling to dictating whole sentences in 4th grade?
3. How do I teach things like: writing a complete sentence, capitalization, etc. Are those things in EFTC? If so is it done in a choppy manner without much review or reinforcements?
4. Should my daughter (3rd grade) be doing only reading and copywork???? It seems like she is ready for more, but I don’t know what!!! Begin written narrations?? I don’t know……
hmmm…..I’ve been doing some reading and found the answers to some of my own questions. My son is trying to spell by using sound….he needs to SEE the word in his mind’s eye instead of trying to “sound it out”. However, I still am not sure that he should be spelling at this point. According to SCM guide, no is the answer to that. 🙂
And I think I am beginning to understand how to use our history, science or literature reading for language practice instead of using an unnatural “workbook” filled with copywork, exercises, and lists that the kids are not familar with or feel are not relevant to them. I found this quote on charlottemasonhelp.com about grammar:
“I did find one limitation with these children. My friend claimed that they couldn’t understand English grammar. I disagreed and said that they could. I even wrote a little grammar book for children aged 7 and 8, which is not quite ready to publish. But I found that my friend was right. She let me give my lessons with as much clarity and freshness as I could. But it was useless. No matter how hard I tried, they couldn’t understand the nominitative case. Their minds rejected the abstract concept, just like children reject the idea of writing an essay about ‘Happiness.’ But I had learned something–a child’s mind accepts or rejects new knowledge according to what it needs.”CM
Wow!!!!How much sense that makes 🙂 If my son were writing a letter to his grandparents and needed to know about capitalization, punctuation and spelling then he would soak it up more readily than just by “doing the workbook page”. Even if the workbook is written in a “CM style” it is still not something the child feels he needs to understand so he sees no point to it. This also explains why my daughter seems bored!
It is just taking me a while to let all of these new ideas sink in……but when it does, I always think,”Yes, that is exactly right! I have experienced that with my children!” Just bear with me until I know more about what I’m doing! LOL!!
I know you all get tired of my posts that are so redundant!
Just a quick bit re. spelling…Many people do need to sound out the words using phonics and spelling rules. My daughter and I are 2 of them. It would never work for us to see it in our mind’s eye only as we aren’t wired that way. I taught her to read using SWR, but have since switched our spelling to All About Spelling with Spelling Wisdom thrown in for dictation.
You are fine to wait on spelling if you choose, but I just thought it might help to hear from a family of sound it out people.
It has amazed me how “seemingly” painless learning can be when one is immersed in a useful or real-life activity. Our children no longer resist the writing assignments I give them to do. We have gone from our oldest being just about “workbooked- to- death” in the early years, to a teenager who is progressively taking the educational reins as I hand them over more and more to him. I think he’s starting to get that this is really going to be his “gig” for his whole life. Our next oldest, having even fewer workbookish experiences, is following suit even sooner in these areas as his predecessor did.(BTW, I am not necessarily even totally anti-workbook, although they have pretty much gotten squeezed out as we have seen the fruit of CM! Her way is also just too practical and fun to go back to the other methods.) My point is, I can’t tell you enough to not underestimate the “seemingly” simple practices of reading/being read to/buddy reading, copywork, dictation (if they are old enough), oral narration, drawing narration, (which incidently, has given our children wonderful drawing ability, as has its use in nature study), and written narration (if they are old enough). Our two oldest joyfully work out of Karen Andreola’s Storystarters book for creative writing, as well. Also, last year, we began doing a little research and report kind of thing on Fridays, where they could learn about anything of their choosing, and write a little summary about it to share with the rest of us. This began with me reminding and reinforcing, but since it was kind of an extra, it would come and go in and out of the schedule. Recently, of their own accord, both children have begun this activity again. Yesterday, our oldest initiated an assignment for this activity from something he ran across in his daily reading. I say these things not to boast in my superior teaching abilities. Truth be told, most days you will find me humbly face down before the Lord begging for mercy and help in being a godly mother, in teaching, and in managing our home properly. (Ps. 32:8 has long been my heart’s cry!)I say these things because, like so many, it has taken time for me to get the value of the “seemingly” simple. I have noticed the value of slowing down enough to awaken abilities which could not take root in a hurried, fast-paced, activity-filled existence. Have I arrived yet? I wish! I learn DAILY. I used to feel kind of dippy about such a “seemingly” fragile existence. But then I think of the educational goal of being a lifelong lover of learning, being self-educated, and I realize that I’m just basically doing what I’m asking them to do. I’ve just been doing it for a longer time! I just wanted to encourage you after I read your posts, as the Lord has used the words of so many here to minister to me and encourage me. Blessings to you!
I am still not sure about spelling at this point, though. If he is an auditory learner how do you teach him spelling? There are so many excetions to the phonics rules with spelling!! I don’t know how to help him or if I even need to be worried about it at this point…..
Eeeekkkk…..it is scary!!! But I can see how the “seemingly” simple could work. I just don’t know if I have the courage to do it!!!!
My son, who turned 8 in Oct, also seems to be more of an auditory learner. He did not want to learn the phonics rules, and when I tried he just got frustrated. He would say “just tell me this time how I should say the sound”, when it came to certain words (vowel sounds within words). Then he remembered it (and how to spell it) for that word. So I stopped teaching him the phonics rules. When he is reading aloud if he comes to a word he doesn’t know, he will try to sound it out at first. But if he doesn’t get it then he just asks me. I tell him how to pronouce it, and he remembers. Does not ask again for that word. He’s doing really well with reading. He reads Boxcar Children and on a page will need help with maybe one or two words.
I’m not going to introduce a spelling program until next fall, then it will be Spelling Wisdom. But if he doesn’t seem ready for it once started I will put it away and wait a few months, or even until the next year. He’s only in 2nd grade this year. I think that he will really catch on to how words are spelled through his copy work for now.
My other son, who just turned 7, is definately a kinesthetic learner. I’m still figuring out how to teach him to read! With him we are still working on letter sounds and names. We do use 100 EZ lessons. A close friend recently reminded me to just play games with flashcards. So we’ve been spreading them out all over the floor and I give him sounds or names and he searches for them. He is loving that. I have to get used to the fact that he constantly needs to be in motion, doesn’t sit still really at all. So I need to find inventive ways to teach him how to read, spell and such!
-Use our reading books for copywork daily. (Queen’s Language does not do copywork daily and I want them to do it everyday) -Use our history, Bible, or science for narration daily. -Allow my daughter to begin writing more. She loves to make up her own “books” and I want to help incorporate that in her school work. I just need something to help her get started with better sentence and paragraph structure. -Use the Queen’s Language books as a sort of “spine” to teach language the rest of the year. I’ll pick out sentences from their reading that would apply to the subject in the language book (nouns, plurals, using an/a, etc.) and point out the things they need to know. -Continue Spelling Wisdom with my daughter for spelling and beef up my son’s phonics for now with out spelling. I may look into Sequential Spelling for him if his spelling does not improve the rest of this year with phonics and copywork.
I found something online called Painless Junior Writing…..any one used this? I was thinking of getting it for my daughter.
Wow, sounds like a great plan, Amanda! I know what you mean about Queen’s LL. While we are truly enjoying it and will use it for a while, I think I would like to do more copywork; daily. Are you using the Literature suggestions from the SCM guide for your copywork? How are you choosing what and how much to do?
I am pulling stuff from everywhere, girl! 🙂 LOL!! I saw on the Tanglewood Curriculum website that they suggested children read a variety of things during the week. Like fairy tales, living science books, poetry, etc. I started looking at our books and found a good way to “mix it up” a bit. So their copywork will come from these sources right now:
Katelynne (9 yrs old) Andersen’s Fairy Tales (Mon.), Christian Liberty Nature Reader (Tue.), SCM Lit book (Wed. & Thur.), Bible (Fri.). Braden (7 yrs. old) Pathway Reader (Mon.), CL Nature Reader (Tue.), Other Books that Mom pics (Wed. & Thur.), Bible (Fri.) I may throw poetry in there for Wednesday since that is our poetry reading day. I am just really getting it all together in my mind. I also read an idea somewhere for them to decorate their copywork pages on Friday. I don’t know if we will do that or not.
I also plan to skip around in our Language Lessons and use our copywork to teach a lot more.
Great idea to get the copywork from different sources during the week. I would have just done one literature book for the month — boring! We are reading fairy tales and the complete works of Beatrix Potter from another source along with Module 1 and 106 DOC. If I would just get creative and organized, I would print out a copy of what we were reading that week for copywork. Hmm… I think I just gave myself an idea.
Maybe in a month or so when we are used to a “schedule.” We just started a structured day schedule last week. It’s going well for me and my oldest. We are thoroughly enjoying Module 1. My youngest, however, is going through sister withdrawals. She told me today that her sister was her favorite, bestest friend and she missed her! She crawls up in my lap for all the read alouds and her sister’s lap for Pathway Readers, even though her favorite question is: “Are we all done school?” Oh, I love how homeschooling brings siblings together! I wouldn’t trade this for anything!
You know Amanda I was just looking at the curriculum guide. It suggests using English for the Thoughtful Child as a gentle introduction to grammar in the 2-3rd grade. I think you could also use it in the 4th grade, since you don’t start using Jr Analytical Grammar until 5th grade. English for the Thoughtful Child starts a child on learning basic sentence structure, compostition. http://apps.simplycharlottemason.com/resources/detail/417 There is also a second book. Just an idea for you. I think I may use this next year with my older son.
I think that is exactly what I am going to begin when she is done with her Queen’s Lang. book. We have been skipping around A LOT in the lang. workbook, so we will be done very soon. Thanks!
One day I am gonna learn to JUST FOLLOW the CURRICULUM GUIDE!!! LOL!!!