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Anyone has tried this?
What is language art?
I might have asked this before, can’t remember, but is it the same as grammar?
Wondering if this would work for next year for us. Still didn’t decide on what to do for grammar.
I used it more than a decade ago for two years, but we never read whole books using it. The lessons are based on portions of nice books, but we followed the curriculum and didn’t read the books. It felt disjointed.
Yes, language arts Is the heading under which grammar falls.
What ages are your children? Have you looked at SCM’s Language Arts resources to learn more about CM methods in this area?
http://simplycharlottemason.com/store/language-arts-the-charlotte-mason-way/
We use Emma Serl’s Primary Language Lessons, Intermediate Language Lessons, and later on move into IEW theme based writing lessons that tie into the history, science, or another topic we are studying for the year.
I hope you find a nice fit for your family.
Becca<><
Most of the books used in this program we already read so I don’t know if it would feel like that for us.
My kids will be in 5th and 7th grade next year.
We are alternating between ILL and Wordly Wise this year.
I am mostly looking for Grammar for my oldest, I have been doing really basic grammar w/him so far. I have looked at Analytic grammar but read recently there is a lot of diagraming in there and am looking to stay away from that as much as possible.
I am looking for our next level too, so haven’t used these two programs, but I have looked at them several times in the past. What about Our Mother Tongue for Grammar? I’ve heard that it teaches diagramming, but does not focus on it like AG.
Plus an answer guide: http://www.amazon.com/Our-Mother-Tongue-English-Grammar/dp/1591280168
Also, Wintson Grammar may be a better choice for us from what I’ve seen. From what I read somewhere, it uses cards to teach sentence structure instead of the usual diagramming.
http://www.amazon.com/Our-Mother-Tongue-English-Grammar/dp/1591280168
My youngest dd has used the part of the Blue and almost all of the Red levels of LLATL. I have the yellow waiting for her. My older kids used from the Tan level through the 2 Gold levels. We think highly of LLATL, but I can’t comment on the purple level specifically as we have not used that one yet. LLATL is based on Ruth Beechick methods. She has much in common with CM. Copywork and dictation is a pretty big part of the curriculum.
Language Arts includes spelling, grammar, reading, writing, punctuation (did I forget anything?). These are all in LLATL in a gentle presentation where you don’t spend all day doing grammar. The only diagramming I remember was in the Green level I believe, and it was not a lot (thankfully!). If you do decide to give LLATL more thought I would suggest you go to their site ( http://www.cspress.com ) and check out the placement test. Many folks find their children place one year above. Do not use reading skills to place your child. The reading is generally easier than most need, but it is the activities that are important in this program. At the site there week long samples of each level so you can get a feel for the program.
Thanks Susie, I was wondering how to figure out which level.
Becca what is the IEW program you are using?
I bought the character-based writing lessons and found out after that in order to use that I would need to but the IEW’s teaching writing course, which seems a little expensive and have no idea if it is worth it at all!
Anyone has any feedback on that? Maybe I start another tread..
Susie, how long does it take to cover one book? I was just looking at the placement test and looks like we would have to start at orange because all the other books had things we never studied yet.
My son will be in 7th grade, I have been postponing grammar as long as possible.
I am thinking this might be a program I would have had to start a few years ago.
Unless each book can be done in a short time…
Sheraz I am considering our mother’s tongue as well, looks like it could be done in a couple of years…
We are using LLATL this year with my oldest (he’s 11). In my experience, each book will take more than one year. I have him work on it just a few minutes each day and I think it will take 2 years to do one book.
If you decide to go with IEW for writing, they have a wonderful grammar book that goes with it. It is called Fix It Grammar. We love it. You can use it with or without the writing component. It does not teach the grammar in a traditional way, but rather they learn through actually using the grammar.
Our eldest used OMT and enjoyed it. It has a very nice history of the English language in the side bar (think timeline, etc.). I don’t recall the diagramming being extremely difficult. I know there are two camps as far as diagramming is concerned. It’s not as difficult as everyone thinks if taken slowly. It can be helpful for some students. It doesn’t harm anyone, nor is it absolutely mandatory to make it through life. I’m in the don’t fear it, don’t demand it camp. ;0)
The IEW Character based writing lessons are designed for grades 9-12. It is a Teacher’s guide (or, for students who have previously studied writing with IEW and are pursuing self-teaching.)
I am thoroughly pleased with IEW. We use CM friendly methods until about 10-12 years old and move into IEW, which is also CM friendly in my estimation.
The main program, Teaching Writing: Structure and Style (TWSS) is the one that looks pricey. I’d pay the full price again. I haven’t regretted it. That said, there are ways to learn from IEW resources without this purchase.
Some pointers: Anything you order from IEW has a full money refund guarantee no matter how long you own it. If it doesn’t work well for you and your family, they will refund your money. They also offer enormous support through the IEW Families yahoogroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEWfamilies/
and their website/phone. There are monthly webinars and more.
IEW Webinars
Webinars are held on Monday evenings at 7:30-8:30 PM CT (unless otherwise noted)
March 4:
Unit 7: Cure for the Blank Brain/Blank Page Syndrome
By Andrew Pudewa
March 12:
Experience Excellence in Writing
By Jan Miller
April 1:
Unit 8: Easy Essays and Beyond
By Andrew Pudewa
Visit the website for more info.
I’d suggest, if you ordered the CB lessons directly from them, contact them and discuss whether you’d rather get a refund, or look it over to decide of you’d like to use it in a year, or two.
Check Homeschool Classifieds for IEW resources.
http://www.homeschoolclassifieds.com
Many of the other Theme Based Writing Lessons (TBWL) are teacher/student combos. These are fairly easy to use without previously viewing the TWSS. However, there is enormous help on each disc. request a free Magalog and it will spell things out as far as which TBWL’s might be better suited in your situation.
I’ve used the U.S. History vol. 1 and we have almost completed the Medieval lessons that have coordinated well with SCM’s Module 4. Both have been very well written, easy to follow, and have encouraged my kids in their writing. My 13yos now enjoys writing and considers himself a good writer. He’s right.
There are other ways to teach writing. This one has worked exceptionally well for our family.
Blessings,
Becca<><
thank you so much Becca, that looks like something I would considere in a year or 2, I’ll just hold on to the book for now.
My oldest does like to write a lot so it might be good for him.
Anyone knows if we started OMT in the fall for a couple of years, could I than switch to IEW to focus on writing? How would that look?
LLATL is designed to be finished in ONE year if done as directed. Some folks fine the lessons short enough to complete it in less than a year because they can double up some days.
There are 36 weekly lessons divided into 5 daily sections (with subsections). So what you will see will be something like this:
Lesson 1
1 a, b,c,d
2 a, b, c
3 a,b,c,d,e,
4 a, b
5 a, b, c
Lesson 2
etc
Hope that helps.
The problem w/LLATL is that according to the placement i would finish in about 6 years. My son will be in 7th grade so that is a little too long.
I am so confused, glad this is the only subject I haven’t yet figure out for next year and that I still have time.
Just read the review from Christian bookstore of our mother tongue and the person who wrote it compared it to the thoughfull mind one which I own and hate.
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