Integrated Physics & Chemistry

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  • csmamma
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    Has anyone used the Highschool course “Integrated Physics & Chemistry” by John Hudson Tiner? I’d love to hear your thoughts. Thanks ~ Heather

    Des
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    I will be using this and have used it in the past with my older two students.  Do you have any specific questions?  I really enjoyed it, but you should know that this probably is not considered CM style science.  I also would not give it the two credits that the author has stated can be earned unless I added an experiment kit with it and maybe a biography or two.HTH!

     

     

    Des

    csmamma
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    Thanks, Des. My son has been using Apologia Science for the past few years. What peaked my interest with this however, was CM advocate, Karen Andreola giving a wonderful review of Integrated Physics and Chemistry on her website:

    I stumbled upon something, quite by accident. The author of some Sower Series biographies we had read, as well as Exploring the History of Medicine, is the writer of the science course my high school student is following (though the writer’s name does not appear on the cover.) Now I understand why this course has more of a biographical style than other science texts. John Hudson Tiner’s ardent admiration of the lives of great men of science spills over into these lessons. Like a master storyteller he unravels the mystery about the development of the periodic table of elements as well as the laws of physics. In bite-sized narratives his stories unravel and little by little, these normally complex subjects begin to make sense. One discovery in science becomes a foundation upon which new discoveries are made.There is no need to be intimated by physics and chemistry anymore – not with lessons like these that are so intriguing. John Tiner’s lessons are filled with facts presented from the firm footing of a Biblical Base. Although lessons are interesting, this doesn’t mean to say the course is “a piece of cake.” Studious attention is required but it will be more pleasingly given.Four volumes together supply 180 lessons. With weekly quizzes and tests this means your student would be expected to do science everyday (and then some) unless you carry the course over to the following year as we plan to do—with no qualms. Cramming has no place in our homeschool. We make all courses be our servants—not the other way ’round. The profit that comes from doing one’s best while taking one’s time is far greater.

    My first question is, do you feel this could be considered 2 Highschool credits if labs are added?

    Also do you think the student activity books could be replaced with written narrations? I’m assuming this is one of the things you meant by it not being CM Style. Have your older students enjoyed the workbooks?

    We’ve enjoyed John Hudson Tiners other writings, so assumed this might follow suit. You mentioned adding a biography or two, however from the looks of the course (on CBS) it looks as though there is already much biographical content. Is this right? This is one of the things that seemed to set this course apart from say Apologia.

    I think my son & I are just looking for something a little more “LIVING”(as far as highschool goes) and this seemed a bit more so than Apologia – however I may be completely wrong.  My son does want to go into engineering, so I also want to be sure the bases are covered incase he’s college bound. 

    I appreciate your input :).

    Heather

    Bookworm
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    Heather, I’ve not used it.  I just went to the Timberdoodle website and read all the samples from the curriculum that are available there.  It looks engaging and fun.  One thing I see if your son is engineering-bound, however, is I see NO indication that the curriculum has the necessary equations.  My son’s chemistry and physics books (Apologia) are about half equations–showing them, demonstrating them, practicing them, solving them.  Engineers use LOTS and LOTS of equations, and I’m just not seeing where Tiner has included this if he has.  Concepts are good–but equations are also necessary if one ever wants to put the knowledge to USE in chemistry, physics or engineering.  A good three-quarters of my sons’ time in chemistry and physics has been working equations, and they can be tough!  (I know, I have to grade them . . . LOL)  I have to admit that when I was in school, the same thing was true.  Each of the concepts I see included in the Tiner tables of contents has three to four pages per concept–and my own sons’ texts have forty pages, most of those equations.  I’m just not seeing how it could prepare your son for the calculus-based physics he MUST have as an engineering student.  JMHO.  I’m not even seeing how Tiner is fitting in the necessary trigonometry for an even more basic physics understanding.  Living is good and great!!!  I wish everything came as a living book.  But the hard reality is that a student planning on taking engineering needs to be able to solve equations–if he doesn’t get it in high school, he is going to need remediation or tutoring in college to get caught up to speed and able to work the very math-intensive (and UNLIVING) texts in his introductory chemistry and physics requirements in college. 

    Des
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    I agree with bookworm, if your student is going into engineering this won’t do it.  That is precisely why I chose the books, my children are not interested in anything that requires a ton of math.

    csmamma
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    Michelle, thank you so much for taking the time to check this out and share your thoughts. Ds has done well with the other Apologia courses. Honestly I think it was myself hoping for a change -However, not at his expense. When will this mamma finally learn…”If it aint broken, don’t try to fix it!” Wink Your wisdom is always appreciated! My husband also confirmed a bit ago. 

    God Bless ~ Heather

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