How to teach a young child to recognize a "good book" vs. twaddle.

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  • MamaSnow
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    We just recently returned to the States from overseas and are LOVING having access to the public library.  I usually reserve books online that we want to read for school subjects or that I know we want to read from our literature list ahead of time  but I like to let DD5 browse the picture books and choose a few for herself when we go as well.  However, I feel badly because there are so many twaddly books mixed in with the good ones that usually 3 out of every 4 books she picks up I end up vetoing and making her put back.  Is there any way that I can help guide her towards good books – or help her to be able to evaluate for herself if it would be worth reading?  I realize that she may be kind of young for that yet, and that probably the best way is just to feed her steady diet of twaddle-free books at home so that she can grow into an understanding of what is good literature and what is just junk….but in the meantime, how can I help guide her during our library visits?  (I realize there are some who may just prefer to not let their child choose any books for themselves at this age…but I’m not really willing to give up our library time…for a number of reasons I won’t get into at the moment.)

    Thanks,

    Jen

    TheAttachedMama
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    That is an easy answer:  I just let the books speak for themselves!  At home, I fill our home library with REALLY great books. I read them aloud often and I think after doing that children will naturally grow to respond, recognize and respect great books.  I think that even very young children will recognize a truly good story and good writting and will naturally be drawn to those types of books in the long term.   Sure when they are young they may be temporarilly attracted to ‘twaddle’ but I think that is more because they are attracted to the characters of illustrations.  I think that in the long term that a book about disney princesses won’t hold a candel to a Beatrix Potter  story or a Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale.  True great stories will hold their own ground and there isn’t really anything you have to do to help your child see that. 

    Also, I would like to point out as gently as possible that perhaps you should change the way you do things at the library.   You say you give her a choice to pick out some books and then veto the vast majority of her choices.  So see in reality, you aren’t really giving her much of a choice.  For a moment imagine what it would feel like to be told that you can pick out some books and then have 3 out of 4 choices refused!  At the very least, I would have to say it would be discoraging for the child. And for some children, it may even turn those types of books into “forbidden fruits” that makes them even more tempting.

    So my advice is to either REALLY be prepared to give her some choice at the library or be more straightforward with her regarding your limits.  Don’t put the sense of choice out there if you aren’t really prepared to give it.    If you really want her to pick out a book, let her pick a book.  (You know, within reason.)  One twaddle book here or there is not going to ruin your child’s sense of taste.  If you want to give her some more limits in her choices, then give her those limits ahead of time.  Instead of just setting her free and then vetoing all of her choices, give her a choice between several books you approve.  OR, set a limit in the number of books she is allowed to pick out.  (Instead of four books of her choice, you could pick three and give her the complete freedom to pick one.) 

    I tend to think of twaddle the same way I think of sweets in my child’s diet.  Sure I don’t want them eating cupcakes every day all day long.  But a cupcake here or there is not going to ruin your child forever.  Twaddle is the same way.  No matter how hard you try, a child is very likely to be exposed to some twaddle books in their life.  (At the library, at grandmas, at a friends, etc. etc.)  The point is not to limit those completly, the point is what you do in the long run the majority of the time.  And the other point is to let the good books speak for themselves.  Your child is intelligent!  Trust that they have the ability to one day decide for themselves what makes a good book a good book. 

     

    suzukimom
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    I do much like is suggested… my kids can pick out 3 or 4, and unless it is totally inappropriate (ie, I wouldn’t bring home captain underpants!), that is fine.  I also select a number of good ones.

    At home, I will read any twaddle they picked out to them once, and that’s it. 

    Bookworm
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    Have you heard the story about how they teach investigators to identify counterfeit money?  They don’t run down every kind of fake money possible—they make the investigators become very, very, very familiar with the REAL THING.  They hold the real thing, fold it, feel it, smell it, look at it closely–the time comes that they can identify the fake stuff easily, because they know what is real.

    Books are a lot like that.  ALL kids are going to end up taking in some twaddle as they grow.  Of course we want to watch out that this isn’t all they get, but if we are regularly, steadily, over years, feeding them the REAL THING, in time, they’ll get it.  They still might read something twaddley sometimes–it’s easier sometimes, you know?  But they will know the difference. 

    When my second son was about twelve, a friend lent him a book he wanted him to read.  I was a little concerned, as it was definitely twaddle, but since it  wasn’t actually harmful, I decided to wait and see what happened.  After Son #2 had had it about three days, he came to me and said “This book is really stupid, I think I’m going to give  it back.  The story might be OK, but the writing is dumb and the characters don’t seem real.”  Cha-ching!  I knew he had it.  Laughing

    Sanveann
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    >>I tend to think of twaddle the same way I think of sweets in my child’s diet.  Sure I don’t want them eating cupcakes every day all day long. But a cupcake here or there is not going to ruin your child forever.  Twaddle is the same way.

    I agree completely. I read some twaddle (brainless, “beach” type novels) now and then myself — just like I like “fun” food now and then, sometimes I like “fun” books. (Not that smart books can’t be fun, of course, but sometimes your brain just needs a break!) I think to limit a child to only a limited set of books  could make reading potentially less fun, just the way feeding your kids baked chicken and brown rice and broccoli every day would undoubtedly make mealtimes less fun.

    That said, good healthy food/books should make up the main part of a “diet” — but it’s very possible to indulge now and then and still do great 🙂 When I was a preteen and teen, I read a HUGE range of stuff, from young-adult type “romances” (very chaste ones!) to Jane Austen. Guess which ones still have a home on my bookshelf, and which were long ago consigned to a garage sale?

    crazy4boys
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    There are some great ideas already mentioned, but as far as relates to your library question….you could bring a list of ‘living’ or ‘real’ books and pull out several choices that are acceptable to you.  Lay them out and let her choose a few from those.  You can also help her learn how to look at the cover artwork to ‘judge a book by its cover.’  Teach her that books with people in their underwear or gross pictures or witches or whatever are not allowed in the house because most likely they will be twaddle.  Not always the case, but it is a start to making her own decisions.

    Heather

    Becks
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    I wanted to revive this thread as I have a question.  My 8 year old LOVES to read.  She devours books.  I learned about using living books by using Sonlight and there are times I don’t like all of Sonlight’s book choices, but I have been very grateful for the eye-opening experience of using living books.  It has really brought science, history and literature alive for my kids and for me there’s no going back now!  I have 3 other kids to keep track of during the school day and my 8 yr old is more than happy to spend the WHOLE day reading books.  We do have basic chores each child does and she is getting pretty handy in the kitchen, something she is quite proud of as well. 

    Whenever I go to the library I bring a list of living books.  Usually I’m able to get through my list and bring a good amount of acceptable living books home.  I didn’t monitor the choices this last time since I was busy and now we’ve got all kinds of twaddle that the kids picked out.  Usually I check those kinds of books first, but life is pretty hectic right now. 

    Two issues here…

    The first issue… How do I guide her to choose quality over twaddle?  She knows the difference.  She can quote quality poetry from A.A. Milne and others. Some of her favorite books are excellent living books, but I’m just hesitant and a little dissappointed in her choices of books on our last trip to the library and I’m not sure I’m ready to let her read these books I haven’t checked.

    The other issue is how FAST she goes through books.  She keeps me so busy trying to keep her supplied with books.  She could read 2 dozen books in 2 weeks!   My husband and I are wondering if there’s another tactic we can take with her.  Like trying to encourage her to develop more hobbies apart from reading books ALL day.  I’ve been requiring her to do some creative art type book reports to help her slow down and digest the books she reads.  I’m also wondering if I should guide her to read her Bible between books to help her develop an appreciation for reading the Bible as well.  Up until now we’ve only modeled Bible reading and not required it.

    Thanks for your help.

    Becks
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    Maybe I can start teaching her how to HELP me find the books on my list so she’s occupied and she’s learning library skills. 

    Another thought that occured to me was to set a limit as to how many books she can check out that aren’t on the list and maybe reward her or at least praise her when she finds books that aren’t twaddle.

    But that still leaves the problem of how to occupy her mind since she would gladly read ALL the time and it’s exhausting for me to keep up with her.  The library is a 3 hour drive from our home and it’s not something we can do at the drop of a hat.

    nerakr
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    The ideas you came up with sound fine. Here are three more. Don’t know how much help you’ll find them, but here goes.

    Does she like to write? Maybe she could write her own novel. I don’t know if she’s too young for the One Year Adventure Novel; you could look into that or something similar.

    Also, how do you feel about ebooks? Maybe you could find some free ones for her to read between library trips.

    Sign up for bookadventure.com. It’s a reading incentive program similar to Accelerated Reading. If she read the book too quickly, she won’t pass the quiz and will have to read it over again. Maybe that will slow her down a little.

    HTH,

    Karen

    Becks
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    Thanks so much Karen!  I signed us up fro the bookadventure club.  She’s so excited.  She took 2 quizzes and has to re-do one of them and she’s excited to re-read the book to be able to take the quiz.  It’s already helping!  Thanks again.  I also checked out the One Year Adventure Novel.  Amazon is out of the 2 books that go with the teacher’s manual.  I’ve never heard of this before.  What other websites sell this book?  Also, what websites have free e-books?  I’m new to that one also.

    Becky

    nerakr
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    I don’t do ebooks myself, but a lot of people on here do. I know I’ve heard them mention Project Gutenberg a lot. Google books may have some, too. They’ll be classics on both sites. Maybe someone else can help with other sites.

    The One Year Adventure Novel can be purchased directly from the publisher http://www.oneyearnovel.com/

     

    delightx7
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    Jen, I can identify with your struggle 100%.  One of the guidelines I have for choosing books is no “TV books”, you know, Sesame Street, Blues Clues, Disney Movies, etc.  The funny thing about that is that we do not have TV (we do movies though), so a lot of times my kids don’t know for sure if it is a “TV book” or not, so they just ask me.  I have one child that is very drawn to anything cartoonish so this one guideline has cut down on a lot of twaddle for our family.

    I don’t say no to all twaddle, like for instance, the Henry and Mudge books. I am sure they don’t fall into the category of great literature, but we sure laugh a lot when we read them.

    RobinC

    Sue
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    Bookadventure.com sounds interesting, so I started poking around their site (just for a couple of minutes).  I have a question for anyone who has used it.  Are there plenty of non-twaddle books on their list of 7,000?  I clicked on their “Top Ten Quizzed Books” link, and out of the ten, the top four were “Diary of a Wimpy Kid” books, and there were also two “Harry Potter” books.  I don’t let my kids read those books.  Of course, I was pleased to see “Charlotte’s Web” on the top ten list!

    As an aside, my 13yo dd and I had a discussion about the “Wimpy Kid” books recently.  She brought home one of them to read on recommendation of her dad’s girlfriend’s daughter.  I told her it wasn’t appropriate reading material.  She read it and barely agreed that there was a bit too much potty humor and that the characters weren’t always nice to each other…..that was several weeks ago, and last week she wanted to bring home another “Wimpy Kid” book–and her younger sister asked to borrow one, too!  My 13yo was mad at me all day and talking back at bedtime after I said no.

    Today, she asked me to hear her out completely, then explained that she thinks there is a connection between two episodes of really bad attitudes and her wanting to read those books.  Furthermore, she said that she could see how her desire to read inappropriate books just because others were reading them was influencing her bad behavior.  Talk about an answer to prayer!  (Note to self:  praise daughter tomorrow for her awesome, mature conclusion and for listening to the Holy Spirit. Smile)

    MamaSnow
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    Since this topic came back up, I thought I’d report back on how things worked out for us.  We’ve gotten into a pretty good library rhythm now. =)  Someone had shared that when their child brings home a twaddly book from the library, they will only read it once.  Since I pick the majority of our books anyhow, I figure 1 “twaddle” picture book out of a stack of 10-15 good ones isn’t going to do much harm.  I’ve also found that sometimes even when a twaddle book makes it home with us, sometimes she doesn’t choose it at all and it ends up going back to the library unread anyhow.   I’ve also helped her gravitate towards picking out a couple of board books for her younger siblings, and then picking out an easy reader book, which has limited her selection somewhat.  She’s taking more time to look through them before she decides if she wants something or not (rather than just randomly grabbing books off the shelf and saying “Mama, I want this one”).  When we come across something I would consider truly inappropriate (like based on a movie or movie characters that I wouldn’t let her watch in the first place or other thematic elements), I try to explain why I’m asking her to put it back, and then sit down and help her find a couple of better choices to choose from.  But overall I’m vetoing much less than initially.  We’ve also found it better to time our library trips when dh can be home with my younger 2 children (ages 2-1/2 and 1) so then I can focus better on helping her.  Anyhow…all that to say that I appreciated the advice when I brought this topic up before, and thought I’d share what worked out for us in the end in case it is helpful to anyone else. Smile

    Jen

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