how much to do w/a 7th grader

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  • petitemom
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    I have asked a little about this before but now that we started I am wondering if I am missing something!?!

    It only takes us about 4hres to finish our work. Is that normal?

    He reads an extra 1/2 hour in the evening, art is also in the evening and all the outdoor time is not included.

    We do:

    Scriptures 6 days/week

    Math 6 days/week

    Character study 5 days/week

    Poetry 5 days/week

    Grammar 4 days (will start w/writing w/the best after we cover a little more Grammar so that might add a little time)

    Cursive 4 days/week

    Vocab 4 days/week

    Typing 4 days/week

    Dictation twice a week

    Written narration twice a week

    History 4 days/week

    Science 4 days/week

    Literature 5 days/week (well he reads 1 hr total 6 days a week)

    Art once a week

    Nature study once/week

    And we have a co-op twice a month, not very academic, more for fun

    Any feedback?

    ServingwithJoy
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    Yes, 4-5 hours is a completely full day for a 7th grader, in my opinion. And, I would say that you seem to have a very full schedule (Math 6 days a week!).

    If anything, be sure you aren’t pushing too hard – have fun and be sure your 7th grader is enjoying learning on his own. Is he doing this work independently, or learning to work independently? Or are you hand holding him a bit too much?

    Don’t worry too much about the ‘shoulds’ and ‘should nots’. You are obviously conscientious and he is getting a great home education…enjoy the journey!

    4myboys
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    I am having a tough time with keeping our schedule to 4 hours, but I don’t really want it to go over that, so I am paring down my plans for my 7th grader.  He has a mild LD and a poor attitude towards school in the first place, so I really need to keep it managable for him, challenging but not overwhelming, with a good dose of fun in the mix.  He’d have a full-out revolt if I tried to have him do anything 6 days, especially math.  

     

    petitemom
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    thank you for the response.

    I have this bad habit of comparing w/what others are doing.

    I have this one friend who was telling me today how much her kids were doing (much more than us) and I started to doubt myself (even if it seems overwhelming).

    Math is quick, they just have to do 2 pages and read before they can play their video game time (which they wait for all week).

    Friday is a very light day.

    Most of the work he is doing independently. That is a lot of subjects but most of them are short. We do History and Science everybody together.

    thanks again!

    petitemom
    Participant

    4myboys my second son is the one w/attitude problem.

    My oldest (7th grader) is pretty motivated so far.

    We’ll see how it goes w/the math, if it ends up being too much I might drop that.

    missceegee
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    I have a 7th grader, too, but I don’t know how she got so old so quick! Your list looks good. Here are my 2 cents worth:

    • I would work toward more written narrations with a goal of daily. My dd12 has at least 1 narration per day in her plan. I think that’s reasonable since she has 3 years of writing them under her belt. You may be starting from a different place which is fine, of course.
    • I would also work toward having more independence in both history and science. By this age, they should be ready to tackle the majority of their work on their own. I’m not for never reading to them, but imho it should not be the bulk of their learning at this point. ie. We use the SCM modules for Bible, History, Geo. and we enjoy the family selections as audiobooks when available. If not available, dd12 can read them on her own or occ. join listening. We are holding her back if she has to wait for us. 
    • Art and Music – consider including artist and composer study, hymns, and folk songs. It adds good dimension.
    • Once cursive is mastered, consider moving to a Commonplace Book aka Book of Mottoes.
    • Perhaps Current Events – even reading from Student News Daily and writing narrations (my plan)

    Again, this is simply my perspective. 🙂

    Christie

    petitemom
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    Thanks Christie!

    We actually are doing artist and composer study, just didn’t write it!

    The book of motto I thought to just have him write once a week. You are talking about how much? I thought the BOM was mostly for them to write their favorite passages, scriptures etc.

    He still needs to practice his cursive.

    I didn’t schedule written narration more than twice a week because eventually he will be writing w/write w/the best. You would do both in one day? he might have an issue w/that!

    I like the idea to have him do Science and History independently but I don’t really know how to go about doing so.

    The books I use for written and oral narration are the books we read together for history. If I do not read them how will I be able to correct his narration?

    Same w/science.

    What is Student Daily News?

    Rachel White
    Participant

    Another option for current events is Top Story: http://www.gwnews.com/topstory/about.php

    My children really like it.

    missceegee
    Participant

    Current Events – We use 2 things. God’s World News like Rachel mentions (each of my kids gets the magazine for their level) and http://www.studentnewsdaily.com for dd12. We use this idea from Charlotte Mason Help.

    CURRENT EVENTS-“Forms V and VI are expected to keep up with the newspapers and know something about places and regions coming most into note in the current term. (Vol. 6, p. 230).” 
    http://studentnewsdaily.com/ (read daily, oral narrate, read the bias article on Wed; on Friday, write short paragraph summary of the most important event of the week. We don’t answer the questions provided) from http://www.charlottemasonhelp.com/2009/07/year-7-booklist.html

    Cursive – Keep the cursive practice as long as needed, of course. You have the right idea of a Commonplace Book. It’s what my kids transition to from copywork. 

    Composition – If you’re doing an extra program and especially if writing is a struggle, then you may keep the number of written narrations lower. I have a goal that my dd12 writes daily. Written narration accomplishes this. We are not doing an additional program until January when we will use AG’s Beyond the Book Report. This will still be written narration, but a little more structured and only for a brief 10 weeks or so. 

    Narration – We narrate most everything. Family history or natural science books – oral narration. Individual history, science, literature, Bible – oral or written narration. I try to read books ahead, but will cheat and skim or check sparks notes online if need be. But there comes a point when the child must own the work. 

    Reading to Children––It is a delight to older people to read aloud to children, but this should be only an occasional treat and indulgence, allowed before bedtime, for example. We must remember the natural inertness of a child’s mind; give him the habit of being read to, and he will steadily shirk the labour of reading for himself; indeed, we all like to be spoon-fed with our intellectual meat, or we should read and think more for ourselves and be less eager to run after lectures. ~ Charlotte Mason, Home Education, vol. 1, p. 228

    We read aloud at our house as a family at bedtime and other times and I plan to always continue. Also, I do read my younger kids’ school books, and while my dd12 may sit in with us for some readings during school time on occasion, she is quite capable of tackling the books on her own and indeed I think it’s the natural progression as Charlotte mentions.

    Hope that helps,

    Christie

    petitemom
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    thank you,

    I’ll check out both those links for daily events…

    I don’t know what to think about changing the way we do things for History and Science!?! I am doing that w/my 4th grader too. Should I not be reading to him either? I thought that was the way to combine subjects.

    Maybe I can have them read aloud?

    I thought of reading the read aloud books at night time but we are all too tired, they can’t do written narration that way and I am reading to my little ones in the evening.

    missceegee
    Participant

    As a general rule, Charlotte recommended reading aloud to years 1-3 and by year 4 turning over the books, for the most part, to the children. There are some things, like Plutarch for example, that you may want to always read aloud.

    If using the SCM modules, you have a family spine of sorts to read aloud to everyone and then grads 4-6, 7-9, 10-12 have their own books in addition. I see no problem with having a family spine and doing some of the reading together, but I do believe, as did Charlotte, that the students should read their own books. I love the SCM modules because it keeps us all on the same topic, but moving at our own levels and pace. This coming year, we’re doing Module 1 and will do all of the family books as audiobooks, I will read the 1-3 books to dd6, ds9 will read the 4-6 books on his own, dd12 will read the 7-9 books plus some others on her own. If you’re blazing your own trail, you could do something similar, too. I would encourage you to consider stepping out of the way and letting the kids take the reigns, esp. by middle school. 

    I feel that I’ve rocked your boat and I’m sorry. Embarassed Know that I share in love and from my 6 years experience and understanding of Charlotte and her methods. You certainly don’t have to do it this way. 

    Blessings,

    Christie

    petitemom
    Participant

    thanks Christie, I appreciate your input.

    I know I won’t be able to keep doing it this way forever as I also have a 4 and 6 years old who will require more eventually.

    We are using Mystery of history right now. My oldest was in 5th grade when we started homeschooling and I the idea of doing 6 modules seemed a little too much.

    I’m thinking to use the SCM module for American and world history…

    I guess they could read the readers I read aloud on there own and do the narration. I’ll probably have to read them on my own too. I have to chew on all this for a little!

    So the 4th grader would do most of history and science on his own too?

    I’m open to change, you know better than I do, I honestly have not read much of what Charlotte said!!

    Stephanie

    petitemom
    Participant

    The student news daily has news from June. Will they be more current in September?

    How about the magazine, are they pretty current?

    Rachel White
    Participant

    Yes, the GWN is current; though not as “breaking” as a daily report. I haven’t had mine do anything formal with current events; we’re news junkies and daily discussing and analyzing the current events at our house (sometimes ad nauseum!); both American, some International(though am picky about which outlets – unless I want an example of state-run media), and Israeli news.

    We get a lot of info. flying around here!

    I think I will add one day a week of written narrations each for American and Israeli news events or alternate one week American and one week Israeli. I don’t know yet; need to look at the schedule as a whole.

    THX for the reminder, Christie.

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    Hi Stephanie, I totally understand the challenge of handing over more work. I had my schedule pretty much planned for my 5th and 8th graders with me still reading family books but changed after reading Christies posts and remembering how AO does it. So essentiat how Charlotte did it. But of course she didn’t have little kids running around and laundry snd meals to interrupt the day:)

    But I think more independence will be good for us. My youngest tends to remember more and narrate better, which I’m afraid will deflate my oldest. So, I’m handing family readings over to them this year and am actually looking forward to it! We’re more efficient when they work on tpheir own, no waiting around for all of us to be ready. And this frees up time for me where I plan to read/skim many of the books. I may look for online cliff notes if I can, but I’m not worried about reading everything.

    But I don’t have youngers like you do. With real young ones I wouldn’t do a spine if I had to do it over again….not much was retained for us with so much info.

    And I understand about the comparison trap and just don’t go there anymore. We know a family whose 7th grader was working 5–10 hours per day. And another who was 3ish hours per day. We’re happily in the middle where it’s just right for US:) Blessings, Gina

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