high school prep

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  • petitemom
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    I am getting a little nervous about high school and beyond!!

    I am wondering if there is more I should be doing now for my 7th grader to make sure there is not too much of a jump when we go to high school.

    Someone just posted about science being too difficult for her 15 year old, we have never done Apologia, we are using Noeo and it is pretty light. Wondering if I need to look into that for next year? if it would be enough?

    Also, when do your kids start learning how to do research paper? I would not know how to go about this?

    And we are quit behind in grammar, I put it off for too long and am totally regretting it, hoping that we are doing enough. We are using grammar key and Easy grammar (grade 4 since he had done basicaly no formal grammar). Rainbow Ressources told me the kids should do 20 minutes of it and we have been doing only one page/day.

    It is hard to find the right balance, I doubt myself, if I have them do enough but at the same time I know that sometimes less is more, you can’t crame too much information at once and expect them to understand and remember it all.

    Sorry, that is a lot of questions. I am probably not alone not knowing if my kids are doing enough!?!

    I am super grateful not to have to do any testing. CT is a great state to be in to homeschool!!

    I love the CM approach and do not doubt that the quality of the material we use doesn’t even compare w/what they would learn in schools.

    But I do get those moments of doubts, will they be ready if they need/want to go to College?

    ServingwithJoy
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    Hi there – deep breath! I have a 7th grader who is quickly approaching high school, too. It is scary to have all the pressure on you to come up with a program that will work through high school and beyond.

    First – the grammar thing. The whole reason we delay grammar is that it is a finite body of knowledge. And it is abstract, which means little ones don’t easily grasp the concepts. So the fact that you aren’t doing much grammar yet is perfectly fine!

    My daughter has done programs where the grammar is ‘integrated’ in a more CM friendly way (like Queen’s). This year we are using a ‘gentle’ grammar – Our Mother Tongue. Starting in 8th grade, we will begin some real work in understanding grammar and diagramming.

    The entire body of knowledge she needs to have in grammar can be learned in two years (or less). Most of it is acquired through the instinctual and contextual knowledge that reading great books will give her. In other words, even though we haven’t ‘studied’ grammar, I notice that she rarely makes grammatical errors in speaking or writing – because of the good books she makes a habit of reading. So, learning the rules is secondary to proper usage.

    Writing is much the same. Reading good books gives the child an instinctual knowledge of how to write. Oral and written narrations do the same. Teaching the structure of, say, a research paper, is secondary to developing good writing skills.

    We use a writing curriculum (Jump In, by Apologia). It is not CM to do so, but like you, I wanted my kids to have a background in the logic of writing and how to structure their writing for different purposes. They love it, and their writing has improved as a result.

    There are numerous programs out there to teach writing skills- and many books that you could check out from the library which teach how to write different kinds of reports.

    I plan on using writing more and more as an evaluation tool as my children proceed through high school. In my mind, there are few skills as valuable as the ability to communicate in writing.

    Science! Well, I have to admit that once we reach 8th grade, I will probably defer to Apologia for science. Our science has mostly been Apologia and nature study, with living science books thrown in for good measure.

    Last year, we used A Reason for Science just so that I could have experiments to do with all the kids. I am amazed at how much they know, without having really studied the concepts before. But then again, they have probably read about many of the things we are doing – I just didn’t realize it!

    And the further we go in our homeschooling adventure, the more I am realizing the truth of Charlotte’s words:

    “Self education is the only possible education; the rest is mere veneer laid on the surface of a child’s nature.”

    Your job isn’t to have it all together – it is to awaken the love of learning and to spread the feast. Hopefully, their own love of learning will take them through high school and college, and beyond!

    By the way, I will be using the SCM planning resource to give some structure to our high school days. Maybe it would come in handy as we round that corner leading to high school, too?

    petitemom
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    thank you so much for taking the time to answer all this!!

    That is reassuring, I guess we need that from time to time!

    I also got Mother’s tongue for this year but didn’t feel it covered enough. I think my son needs lots more practice before he gets something! That is why I am thinking I probably should have start him 2 years ago. 

    What are you planning to use for science for 8th grade? 

    I am wondering if I should do Apologia w/an online course for next year (looking at Potter school). I don’t know?

    I’ll look into the jump in program… 

     

    Rachel White
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    My oldest is in 7th (ds) and the next one down, 6th (dd). I have my ds doing Apologia Gen. Sci. next month (he’s just finshing the Apo. Anatomy). My dd is behind in sci. and is beginning the Zoology 1 w/notebook. She has never been interested in sc. beyond nature study, but she finally is interested in Apologia. She ahs been reading living nature books and science magazines her whole “schooling” life, so I’m thinkin’ that counts as a base.

    My son has always read the Apo. elementary series for fun. For ex.,I will get him the new Chem. and Phys. one to read on his own.

    She won’t begin Apologia Gen. Sc. until 8th. So that gives her another 1 1/2 yrs. to go through some of the elementary books, unless she can get them all in (she’s a voracious reader adn loes to write and do crafts, hence the notebooks) and then Gen. Sc. will fill in the gaps. I don’t expect to go to advanced sciences in HS, as I expect from my son.

    I am having them be mostly independent since due to my dh’s health, I just can’t be there with them so much.

    For math, so far MUS and LoF is meeting our needs. Again, my dd is behind, but she is catching up. She was a late-learner in math.

    For grammar, they are doing R&S 5. They began last year. I am pleased with it. It covers both writing and grammar; I needed one thing to cover two topics. It is thorough.

    Even though your state does not require testing, I do recommend that you give them formal, year end tests. I don’t have to do it but every 3 years and even those I don’t have to turn it; they are just for me. IMO, they need to learn how to just take a test, which is a skill even unto itself, that will probably be required eventually in tehir schooling career if they do anything beyond your home.

    I did a non-timed test (PASS test) for two years in a row before moving to a timed-test. It has been a learning curve for them there too, since I don’t generally do tests, beyond math and another here and there. Each year they get better at the testing process, so that by the time they get older and may be placed in a formal testing environment, they won’t feel trepidation and will know how to perform.

    After my son finishes Ap. Gen. Sc., he’ll move into Phys. Sc., etc; continue with R&S series for writing and grammar. I actually plan on using a lit. program for HS; I just haven’t settled on which. Looking at Excellence in Lit. and Epi Kardia.

    They also started their 2nd. foreign lang. studies this week (already doing Mod. Heb., began Classical LAtin) and know that come HS (in two years), my son will move into Biblical Heb. (which isn’t much diff. than Mod.) and into Koine Greek as well. My dd, will do Bibl. Heb. , not sure about Koine Greek. yet.

    If your children begin Latin, that will help with their English studies, too.

    Additionally, we have:

    Logic studies

    Jewish and character studies

    Economics

    PLutarch

    Jewish history, in addition to the regular history line.

    Spelling (son does an extra spelling course, as it is more difficult for him; dd just SW – spelling is simple for her)

    Lit. books and His. books

    I’m sure I’m missing something here…

    For poetry we are beginning the Micheal Clay Thompson series.

    For Composer, just listening to VOX cd’s

    For Art, not too much. My son won’t do any srtistic training course, my dd will do it on her own as an “elective” (she reads art books on her own). I think now through HS is a great time to start watching them develop their personal gifts, as well as strengthen their minds in areas that would benefit them in the future (like logic and economics), no matter what field or endeavor they embark upon.

    I don’ t know if this is helpful; I’m sure I missed something. It’s a little scattered (it’s late).

    I have to write a Big Picture plan yearly and that keeps me focused. What are their strengths? What do you expect or want them to finish with having studied? I ask myself a few questions in designing the big picture plan.

    Tristan
    Participant

    I have lots of thoughts on this an no experience beyond what we are doing right now (Makayla is 1/2 way through 7th grade) so take my thoughts with a grain of salt!

    First, I have been looking at the dvds and books by Lee Binz for recordkeeping and such for high school.  I plan to get several of hers to go through this spring/summer.  One piece of advice she gives is to start record keeping in 7th/8th like you need to for high school, so you are in practice.  We’ll be doing that for 8th. 

    As for practical things:

    This year Makayla started Apologia’s General Science and I have seen many say do it over 2 years, or over 1. I know some don’t begin until 8th with this one. It has been her first truly textbook based science and was a jump in difficulty.  However, she has found her footing and will finish it this summer.  I decided to start her with it in 7th so we could take 2 years if needed, so I didn’t feel pressured to hurry her along in the beginning as she got used to it.  It’s been good.  A bit dry, but good.

    We are using Brave Writer’s materials for all my children and focusing on the Brave Writer Lifestyle most (very CM, things like poetry, copywork, oral narration, Shakespeare, etc).  I have used some of the writing projects from Jot it Down with my younger ones because they enjoy projects.  For Makayla her focus on writing was to be a writer this year.  She writes and lot and I am her cheerleader/sounding board.  We will not work on writing forms until next year or the year after because I know they are things she can learn quickly as a teen.  For now she needed to find her voice and comfort with writing what is in her head onto paper.  There is a Brave Writer book written to the high school student for essays and such, which she will do at some point during high school. 

    Grammar – we did part of Analytical Grammar last year and it was thorough but too abstract in the end.  She needed to mature a bit.  We will do it again in early to mid high school and it is a finite course, not a grammar repeated every year for 12 years type, which I like.

    History has been literature based this year, and will continue to be so. 

    Math is Math U See for us.  She started math from the beginning in 3rd grade after 3 years of Saxon left her not knowing how to add or subtract.  (Math is her weakest area, followed by spelling.)  She has made wonderful progress and will move into PreAlgebra next month sometime.  The catching up is nearly done after all these years…LOL! 

    IN the end I just try to bump up the difficulty in one main subject at a time, so this was her year to step up in science.  We DO testing each year (one option in Ohio) and she has always passed easily, even with her being ‘behind’ in math.   

    petitemom
    Participant

    thank you both for sharing what you are doing and suggestions. I’ll be looking all that up.

    Rachel how do you do testing? I wouldn’t even know where to start. you do the tests yourself on the material you have been teaching? 

    We are using MOH for history so there are a few tests along the way but for science there aren’t. 

    We are doing LOF, how do you test for that appart from math facts?

    What other subject do you test?

    We are doing French as second language and I don’t see how we could do one more right now but we’ll see…

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    My dd is in 8th. I understand your concerns! But it’s really not too bad. We started some tougher things in 7th and it seems to be coming together well. Probably the most challenging thing was starting Apologia General Science. The first lesson was difficult and we took extra time…lots of memorization. But she slowly got used to the format and finished by the end of the year. We were a few modules behind, so at the end of the year I did just let her read and narrate lessons to me. I think the labs and testing are good high school prep. I recommend getting the $5 schedules (I forget where I got them but could find it for you:) This helped my dd be more independent and helped her stay on track. For Physical Science I bought the notebooking journal which has the schedule built in(you could do this for General, too). I personally would wait until high school level to spend $$ on an outside class, but if you can afford it for jr. hi. it could be helpful:)

    I’ve also started keeping grades for Math and she takes that seriously. I only grade tests. I’m not sure how you’d grade w/LOF.

    She is using Jump In for writing and I feel confident that this will give her a good jump start on writing high school essays. You don’t need to worry about writing research papers until high school. I’ve no experience, but would check out Epi Kardia or Analytical Grammar’s Research Paper programs. I think they are one semester courses. I also believe the writer of Jump In just came out w/a program. I think just using any of these programs would be good for learning to write a research paper. 

    Analytical Grammar is a very solid grammar program. If you used this, I would start soon. I don’t have experience w/any others. 

    Best wishes as you adjust your schedule. It can feel overwhelming, but once you put a plan in place it’s very doable:) Blessings, Gina

    petitemom
    Participant

    Thank you!

    I still have a little time to look for next year but do I have to do the General Science before doing physics w/Apologia?

    A little late for this year!

    I’ll be looking over all the grammar and writing program you mentioned…

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    With an 8th grader being my oldest, I don’t feel very qualified to answer your science qu., but this thread might be helpful: 

    http://www.homeschoolreviews.com/forums/1/thread.aspx?id=75548

    I would call Apologia and ask their opinion. I’d personally try to find the best way to cover appropriate materials and be ready for high school level science as a freshman. You also want to make sure that appropriate math is completed before certain levels of science. Apologia could help you and would likely put your mind at ease coming from them:) Blessings, Gina

    P.S. I have a friend who has her daughter on a very rigorous/classical track and in order to get advanced in science she had her daughter just read General Science over the summer after 6th grade so she could take Physical Science in 7th grade (ahead of anybody in real life or online that I know of!)  Maybe your son could read and narrate General this semester and do Physical next year?

    petitemom
    Participant

    thanks Gina!

    I actually woke early this morning thinking maybe I should keep what we are doing now in science (Noeo) for my 5th grader and switch my 7th grader now to General Science, don’t know when we would finish, maybe we could do some over the summer.

    How many days a week is it suppose to be?

    I might end up calling them. 

    We are not really advanced in math so that might be an issue. 

    He is not a very academic kid, Apologia scares me a little! 

    Tristan
    Participant

    My daughter isn’t advanced in math, she’s actually behind a bit, finishing up MUS Zeta in the next few weeks.  She has not had trouble with the math in Gen Sci.  We use a schedule that is FREE on Donna Young and is formated into a notebook.  It tells her what to read, watch, write about, or experiment.  We started with 3-4 days per week the first semester with lots of breaks due to sibling surgeries.  Now she’s doing it 4-5 days per week and it is going well.  Just finished Module 5 and is excited to move ahead.  At first she really didnt want to do this, she’s a life science girl, but she had to tough it out anyway.  😉  Yesterday she peeked at the next few modules and got excited about geology and other things. 

    petitemom
    Participant

    Thanks Tristan, I really don’t know much about Apologia so it’s good to know, thought it already came planned out.

    We are doing science 4 days /week right now so I guess we could just keep doing that.

    They say you should be done w/7th grade math for Physic and honeslty I do not know what level math we are at or we will be by than, we are just going along w/LOF.

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    There is no math requirement for General Science. For Physical Science, Apologia recommends a working knowledge of Pre-Algebra.  Here’s a link to their blog…mid-way down has math rec. for all levels:

    https://blog.apologia.com/blog/2012/04/18/the-five-most-common-difficulties-in-teaching-science-2/

    My dd needs to do Apologia efery day or we’d never get it done in a year! But I know that some people take 7th and 8th to do General. I would not stress over it, and just call Apologia and ask their rec. in your situation:)

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    And the blog also says this:)

    Of course, if a student is not science-minded and does not plan to pursue a career in a scientific field, then it’s no problem to wait until the eighth grade to begin General Science. You might even choose to spread General Science across seventh and eighth grades until the student is comfortable with the math skills required for Physical Science.

    petitemom
    Participant

    thanks for looking this up for me Gina, so kind of you!

    You ladies have helped more than you think!

    I realized I am better off starting Apologia now since the Noeo program we are doing also covers the human body so it will be a lot of repetition.

    Just confused on what to get, is just the student text and manual enough (guessing the answers are in there, I don’t see a teachers manual on Rainbow Ressources, unless I missed it!?!). Why would I want the perforated text?

    And anyone recommends the CD rom companion? is it worth it?

    Stephanie

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