Help Knowing What Flours to Use

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  • Anonymous
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    Can anyone tell me a non-wheat flour that I could pair with freshly ground oat flour that would not make a baked good product gritty/grainy? I tried some brown rice flour and the end result was grainy. I also tried all oat flour and the end result was a muffin with the consistency somewhat like firm oatmeal…if that makes any sense. 🙂 I don’t want to have to use guar gum, xanthum gum, or tapioca starch because they can be a little more expensive. So I’m trying to find more economical ways of making some baked good without any wheat flours.

    ibkim2
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    I have an allergy free cookbook (wheat, dairy, egg, peanut, soy, etc…) in which the author uses 1/2 oat flour and 1/2 barley flour in most of her baked good recipes.  It is a little gritty but maybe not as much as brown rice (I haven’t tried brown rice flour).  It does hold up well when making muffins, biscuits or zucchini bread plus it doesn’t need the xanthum gum.  It is less expensive (since I grind both flours myself, buying the oats in bulk and the pearled barley packages by the dried beans in the grocery store).  The recipes use honey instead of sugar, egg replacer instead of eggs, and rice or oat milk instead of dairy.   Not sure how this flour combo would hold up in a recipe that uses sugar and eggs.  

     

    HTH.

    Rachel White
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    Are you getting your rice flour fine enough? I run my rice through my grinder 2x before using it.

    Millet is another wonderful non-wheat and non-hybrid grain (well, it’s a seed, really). Tasty, too; I use it frequently for for cereal and muffins.

    Anonymous
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    Thanks ibkim2 for suggesting the barley. I hadn’t thought of barley.

    And Rachel, I was just mentioning in the thread on sourdough bread, that I don’t buy grains and mill them myself as I don’t have a grain mill. I only have a coffee grinder that I grind whole rolled oats into oat flour and also I tried the brown rice as well. I was thinking maybe I needed to grind the brown rice more as it felt pretty gritty when I put it in the bowl. But I don’t think the coffee grinder will probably grind it as well as a grain mill would. A grain mill is not an option right now for our budget. So I need to find ways I can use my coffee grinder for now.

    Do you think millet would grind well in a coffee grinder? And is it expensive?

     

     

    Rachel White
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    I’m sorry, I didn’t read through the sourdough threas, so I missed it.

    Yes, I do think millet will grind finely. It’s as small as or smaller than flax seed. It’s not expensive. I can buy it at my Ingles bin section for under 3.00 lb. and being seeds, that’s a lot. Amaranth is another one, as is Quinoa that could be ground well in a coffee grinder. However, I know Quinoa is expensive and amaranth, unless you grow it your self(which is easy, I did last year, but used it for chickens), may be just slightly less. I guess it’s worth looking into.

    Barley is a good suggestion made above; it’s a soft grain, inexpensive and would grind well.

    Oh… and also Rye.

    There’s also kamut, though price may be a factor. It’s a durum type wheat, but it’s an ancient grain and usually tolerated by those who can’t have regular wheat.

    Buckwheat.  Sorghum flour. potato flour (I use this one for cooking during Passover and for thickening soups, sauces and pot pie filling year-round).

    HTH

    Polly
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    This is our all purpose GF flour mixture:

    4 c. brown rice flour (I mill my own but you can buy store bought)

    1. almond flour

    1 c. sorghum flour (if you don’t have this just add another cup of rice flour)

    2 c. potato starch

    1 c. tapioca starch

    1 heaping T. of xanthan gum

     

    I realize that they have a couple of ingredients you didn’t want to use but it’s what I have found works for us (except in yeast breads).  I couldn’t find an alternative that worked for us.  

    You can use only almond flour.  But that is very expensive.  The above works well for us.  We also, have really cut down on the amount of starches we eat because of cost.  I rarely use more than 2 cups a week.  Hope this helps.

    Heather
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    You can replace the gums by making a flax paste.  Just grind 5 tablespoons of flax seed in your coffee grinder and add warm water to make a gummy paste.  Let it sit to the side while you are adding your dry ingredients and pour it in with your wet ingredients.  It is amazing!

     

    blue j
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    Here is what I have found with flours:

    coconut flour – NEEDS a lot of eggs or egg replacer for binding

    oat flour – can result in a very dry type end product as it doesn’t can absorb a lot of moisture. It needs extra liquid (when you cook oatmeal it’s 2:1 water:oats) at the very least, though soaked oat flour doesn’t have as much problem as fresh oat flour and it’s better for the body to boot.

    sorghum flour – our current favorite – cooks up nicely and has a good flavor that our family likes.  We do mix this with arrowroot or tapioca starch/ flour.  we haven’t been adding xanthan gum to this either, and it’s still working out pretty well.  we make cakes, tortillas, etc. that have turned out perfectly.

    quinoa – not as dry a flour as oat or buckwheat but *must* have guar gum or xanthan gum to hold it together though we have also used amaranth as well since it binds VERY nicely

    amaranth – this is very good mixed in with other flours to hold things together as it’s very sticky.  I have used this successfully in place of sticky rice in flours as it has similar properties.

    millet – to me, this is somewhere between sorghum and quinoa. 

    buckwheat – nutty/ earthy flavor and kind of a dry flour. does best with other flours mixed in, but we have made a few things with only buckwheat… I think pancakes were one thing as well as a cookie type baked good.  It’s been a while since we’ve done this, though. 

    rice flour – unless finely ground, this is a very grainy product.  it will take a lot of liquid as well because, well, it’s rice. (2:1 ratio again).  this can make a nice baked good, but it’s best if it is mixed with at couple of other flours (sticky rice or amaranth as well as xanthan gum) since it’s a rather dry flour.

    I won’t use barley because I’ve been told that it still has properties that are similar to the gluten in wheat.  If your doctor doesn’t have a problem with it, try it.  Look at the properties of the flours and try mixing them.  In the end, the cost really comes in when you have to mix enough flours together to get a decent end product. 

    I don’t know if this is helpful, but don’t despair.  You *will* get the hang of this, there’s just a learning curve.

    chocodog
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    Oh how wonderful! This answered many of my questions. 🙂

    I was told resently that Chai seeds work well for thickening. Has anyone else tried that? I brought home some last week and was talking with a friend and she asked me how it tasted. I said, ” sort of like flax”  While I had it in my mouth it became like tapioca. I bet that would be a good binder in bread. I ordered more yesterday but it will be awhile before I can try it. With all the ideas here I will feel a little bit better at trying it.

                Thanks everyone!

    Anonymous
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    I can’t thank everyone enough for all of your help! Our local stores don’t carry some of these flours. I think what I might try to do is make a trip to Whole Foods here pretty soon and see what they have available. The Whole Foods in our area is a good distance away. Maybe they will have some of these different flours at prices that aren’t too expensive for our budget and then I could just stock up.

    I am interested in finding out about soaking flour though. Blue j – you mentioned soaking oat flour. How would you do that? And how does the soaked flour get utilized in a recipe? I have heard that even just eating oats for breakfast, it can be better to soak them awhile before cooking them. Do they soak up all the liquid and you just add more liquid to cook them? Or do you have to rinse/drain them before you actually cook them? Just curious.

    art
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    Several days ago there was a muffin recipe success thread. I put a recipe on there that almost always comes out with a real muffin texture with 100% whole ground oat groats. I don’t use oatmeal flour, so I don’t know if that would come out. I only grind whole oat groats.

    Once in a while it comes out like oatmeal, but that’s when I don’t measure the baking soda I think. 

    Here’s a link.

    http://simplycharlottemason.com/scmforum/topic/gluten-free-muffin-recipe-to-share

     

    Hope it works out; I love these.

    Anonymous
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    art,

    I saw your recipe and wanted to give it a try. I just haven’t gotten around to it yet. I really appreciate you posting it! Quick question for you, I don’t have any honey or maple syrup on hand. If I use natural sugar, would I need to increase a liquid of some sort? Maybe add a bit of water?

    Sue
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    Okay, so all of this talk about various flours and grains has gotten me to thinking about grinding my own. As Mrs. K mentioned, a brand-new mill is not in the budget for me. However, I don’t know what to look for or what type/brands to consider should I run across a used one somewhere.

    Can anyone who has had a grain mill for awhile give me any tips on possibly what to look for in a pre-owned grinder?

    blue j
    Participant

    Mrs. K, soak 1 c oat to 2 c warm-ish water and add 1 T of whey or lemon juice.  Cover and soak overnight.  To cook, place 2 cups of water into a pot and a dash of salt (optional). Bring to a boil.  Add the soaked oats and cook until thinkened – about 3 minutes or so.  You will need to stir this if not constantly then often as the mixture will bubble up some.  This can be lessened by turning the heat down to medium, but it will still occur.

    I need to wrap things up on the net for this evening, but if you want you can do an search for soaked flour recipes.  At least one of the recipes that I have is printed off of here.  I will get back to you later with the actual recipe.

    art
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    Mrs. K, I have only used “adapted” recipes for liquid sweetener–honey or maple syrup–so I’m not sure about natural sugar. For those muffins, you probably don’t need to add more liquid though. There is so much of it to start with. It should just look like cake batter, like any other muffins. You’ll be able to tell. It’s kind of thick if you let it sit, because of using oat flour I think.

    good luck

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