Help I am new to a Charlotte Mason education

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  • I am new to doing a Charlotte Mason based education. I have 3 boys who will be in the 3rd, 4th, and 6th grades this year. They have done very little to no narration, and no dictation. I am not sure where to place them using this curriculum like simply grammar, spelling wisdom, picture study etc. Does anyone have any suggestions? This is all so new to me and so contrary to the way I was taught or have been teaching. Its a little overwhelming. Is it really easier doing Charlotte Mason method? Not sure i want to use all her curriculum. Can I use a different history but doing the charlotte mason way and how would I do it?

    anniepeter
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    Well, here’s one thought on it.  I’m sure others will have different ideas.  You should be able to use Spelling Wisdom 1 for both the older ones.  And the youngest probably doesn’t need it for spelling yet, but could do copywork/transcription from it.  Have you seen this?  http://simplycharlottemason.com/planning/curriculum-guide/ I would start here and just build what you like using whatever you want from here and adding what you like to it.  You can use any literature based history (assuming it passes the living books test and I believe most of them do) and just use narration as your study tool.  The nice thing about SCM materials is that there isn’t anything else included to cause you to lose your focus.  That’s why I am changing over to it from Sonlight.  I still use SL books that aren’t in SCM for literature – I just ket the kids choose their reading from that list.

    As to grammar…I’m a bit of a misfit here maybe, but I think my way is as good as the next guys (but not better :-).  I just teach whatever comes up through their writing starting with the most basic and moving on as the writing shows it is mastered.  You know…punc. and caps, usage corrections if they ever some up, show me the subject/verb, etc. (from their dictation usually for this)…and whatever else comes to mind to share with them now and then.  No placement needed for that.  So, I just plan to do this kind of thing once a week or something like that.  If I come up bland on what to do next, I just look at whatever grammar book is handy for another idea…or decide they’ve finished with grammar if their writing is already excellent and I don’t see any further need of it.

    About narration…my kids have FINALLY gotten used to this, but some of them still don’t like it much.  So, what I’ve learned the hard way is this: if I had it to do over (starting narration with older kids) I’d use more of the non-conventional methods (draw a picture, write diary entry as if you were there, a letter, newspaper article, a skit, etc.) rather than just having them tell it back to me.  That’s all I really did with them, and it was somehow a drudgery when it should not have been.  It must have been my approach.  Annother thing…it does help if Mom takes a turn narrating occasionally.  Then they can add to it.

    What approach have you been using?  It may help us to be more helpful to know what you’re transitioning from.  In any case, one change at a time might be a good idea.  You could start getting used to some of the new things that are easy over the summer (picture study, narrations (just a few) with a book read just for fun instead of for school, etc.) if you think you could pull it off (read I’d never let the kids know it has anything to do with school…just “Hey, I just found this cool website with all these pictures on it.  Come see Rembrandt with me!  Let’s try looking at this one picture for a bit and see how much we can remember afer closing our eyes…)

    ServingwithJoy
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    If you can buy nothing else, you should really treat yourself to the seminar from SCM, “All Day CM Seminar”. It comes with a handbook and goes through how to teach everything very simply, in a CM way.

    Other great resources offered through SCM are the free e-books listed at the top of the homepage. These are really informative and worthwhile – not just a ‘teaser’ to get you to buy something. You can learn a lot from them, and they are free!

    IMHO, by far the most important CM principle is one that is very easy to adopt, and that is the use of LIVING books rather than textbooks. You can absolutely use something like, “Mystery of History” or “Story of the World” as your base book (they both qualify as living history books) but be sure to add other great books that will make history come alive for your kids.

    You want them to love to read…to form the habit of reading for information and pleasure. Then they are on the path to lifelong learning. That is the goal!

    ServingwithJoy
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    There are also several Language arts curriculums that incorporate dictation, grammar, narration, even some picture study! I am thinking of the “Language Lessons for the __________ Child” series from Queen’s homeschool supply, or Writing Tales, or English Lessons for the Thoughtful Child. There are others out there. When you are just starting with these methods, I think it makes it easier to have it all in one book and laid out for you.

    We use Spelling Wisdom, too, by the way. Most people who adopt the core philosophy of Charlotte Mason do make some adaptations for their children along the way :). As Sonya says, “Teach the child…not the curriculum”.

    Picture Study – you can begin with the ‘Come Look With Me’ type books if you need a scripted way to talk about the pictures, but it really isn’t necessary. You aren’t studying or critiquing the art. You are just showing it, letting the kids form a relationship with it, briefly discussing it…and moving on. It takes us about 10 minutes per week (tops).

    sheraz
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    I am new to doing a Charlotte Mason based education. I have 3 boys who will be in the 3rd, 4th, and 6th grades this year. They have done very little to no narration, and no dictation. I am not sure where to place them using this curriculum like simply grammar, spelling wisdom, picture study etc. Does anyone have any suggestions? 

    Here are the ones I used when I first started my kids in a CM education after public school in grades 4 and 5. These books cover Language Arts…I added some copy work for my older ones.

    For the 4th and 6th graders – Intermediate Language Lessons by Emma Serl, adapted to workbook style by Cynthia. She has done a great job and they are very affordable. 

    She has also done Primary Language Lessons by Emma Serl for the 3rd grader. I have this for my younger kids as they get there. Part 2 is for 3rd grade.

    For dictation, I also started with Spelling Wisdom Book 1. You can start at the beginning or look towards the middle to see how your oldest does. When it takes a day or two to practice, you are probably about where you need to be.

    For choosing picture study, composer study, scripture memory, literature, etc. have you looked at the Free Curriculum Guide? It is sooo cool that they included the Enrichment Year Plans because you can choose the one that will fit your personal needs best…insuring that you get a wonderfully rich feast of ideas in front of your children…all while you are still trying to figure out what you are doing! 😉 You can see the 4 plans if you look at the second step of the Curriculum guide. In the meantime, here is a link to the Enrich Plan Year 1: http://simplycharlottemason.com/planning/curriculum-guide/enrichment-year-ideas-1/

    There is a sample schedule on the bottom of the page on the Free Planning Guide showing how to add it all in and still have time for something else. 😉

    Can I use a different history but doing the charlotte mason way and how would I do it?

    You can do a different history and there are options out there. In order to be more helpful in that regard, we would need to know what type of things you are wanting to teach.

    A word of advice that you didn’t ask for 😉 – be sure to include several long nature walks and nature study times with your boys! They will love the freedom, it will work out some muscles and energy, and it will be a great opportunity for you to teach a lot of things, plus it will help them settle in and enjoy school more. 

    This is all so new to me and so contrary to the way I was taught or have been teaching. Its a little overwhelming. Is it really easier doing Charlotte Mason method? Not sure i want to use all her curriculum. 

    Any of SCM’s DVDs are wonderful, but I would start with the All-Day Seminar. I also recommend that you read as much as you can of CM’s philosophy and methods. It will sustain you for the long haul as you are “de-schooling” yourself…most of us have been there! 

    I am not sure that the CM way is actually easier than any other…all methods of educating should take time and care to ensure top quality, especially if you have the ability to tailor that education to each child.

    Do CM’s philosophy and methods work? Yes. This method, if applied as CM intended, also requires a lot of faith and patience to see the results and that is very difficult sometimes in the face of outside pressures and public mindsets. Like any thing else, you will get out of it what you are willing to put into it.  

    That said – Is a CM education worth all the time and effort? ABSOLUTELY YES! I think it is the most practical, yet rigorous, DO-ABLE classically classical education I have seen. My children are thriving with it.

    Thank you all for your advice. It has been very helpful. I think I am interested in both Language Lessons Any suggestions on what you use for math and science?

    momto2blessings
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    Math-u-See is CM-friendly. We’ve used it from the start and its worked well and doesn’t take a ton of time. Your kids are at good ages to combine in Apologia Elementary Sciences. Or you could incorporate the living science book suggestions on this site. If kids may be college bound the upper level Apologia Sciences are good prep starting around 7th grade. HTH some:) Gina

    HollyS
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    It can be overwhelming if you try to switch everything over at once.  I would pick just a few CM elements to start with.  We switched to a more traditional CM schedule last fall and I slowly added in all the elements one at a time, adding a new subject each week or two.  By January, we were doing all but a few of the subjects.  We never did add in Shakespeare and didn’t do very many nature studies, but those can be things for us to work on this year!  You can definitly pick and choose which methods to follow as well.  We did that for years before completely switching over.

    I do find CM methods easier, especially when you have several children to homeschool!  It’s much easier to combine them, and since you cut out busywork, your time is used more efficiently.  As far as history, there are quite a few CM-friendly history programs out there.  Just about any literature-based programs would work well.  For science, Aplogia would work for all your DC’s ages.  We just do the readings and some of the experiements and notebook pages from the text to make it pretty much “open and go”.   We’ll be using 106 Days of Creation this year which would also work for your DC’s ages.  It has quite a few books to gather up, so it would be more involved on your part.  I do like that we’ll be covering so many different areas of science to give them a quick overview of it…Apologia focuses on just one area per book.  We used the Swimming Creatures one last year and they loved it. 

    For math, I switched two of my DC to MUS last year and plan on switching the rest over this year.  We watch the videos together and they only do as many wb pages as they need to.  That gives them motivation to do well and stay focused…they love skipping some of the pages!  lol  If you already have a math program that works, I’d just stick with it.  It can be difficult to switch programs since they are all organized a bit differently.  We switched because my oldest really struggled with our previous program.   

    For narration, start with just oral narration, then work up to written.  Some children pick this up quicker than others.  We mostly narrate our history, Bible, and science readings.  I have them do a short notebook page 1-2 times per week for written narrations.  We use Spelling Wisdom for dictation and my oldest really enjoys it (my 2nd oldest will be starting it this fall).  It is very simple and quick…we spend about 10 minutes twice a week on it.  Picture study is very simple.  I put it off all last year because I thought it was going to be too difficult.  I finally read some posts on SCM and watched a short video of it.  After that, I realized how simple it was!  It takes 5-10 minutes each week

    If you start gradually, it’s much easier to get it all in.  I think it would be very difficult to start a full CM schedule right away.  It’s much easier on both you and your DC to work up to a full schedule.  Or, you can just pick and choose which CM techniques to add in.  I don’t think anyone follows her 100%…I think the key is taking what you learn and getting it to work best for your specific children.

    missceegee
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    Charlotte Mason was an educator in Britain who wrote extensively on the education of children. She did have a curriculum in use in the PNEU schools, but when one refers to a CM education, it should be to using the philosophy of Charlotte in both choosing and implementing a curriculum. SCM is a company who has strived to make the CM philosophy easily understood and attainable by creating a variety of wonderful resources for both parents and kids. SCM offers some great curriculum suggestions, some of which are what Charlotte used in her schools and some of which are wonderful, newer resources. There are several programs that have curriculum guides to help implement a CM style of education – SCM, AO, HUFI are all examples. Use one, or pieces from each or blaze your own trail. However, you must understand the philosophy or they are all just great book lists.

    CM homeschooling is so much more than a book list or just certain hallmarks like picture study, nature journaling, etc. It is truly a paradigm shift in what education is.

    Charlotte Mason wrote in Volume 6 page 19: “The reader will say with truth,–‘I knew all this before and have always acted more or less on these principles’; and I can only point to the unusual results we obtain through adhering, not ‘more or less,’ but strictly to the principles and practices I have indicated. I suppose the difficulties are of the sort that Lister had to contend with; every surgeon knew that his instruments and appurtenances should be kept clean, but the saving of millions of lives has resulted from the adoption of the great surgeon’s antiseptic treatment; that is, from the substitution of exact principles scrupulously applied, for the rather casual ‘more or less’ methods of earlier days.”

    I highly recommend the SCM All Day Seminar. It is the best place to begin IMO. Begin incorporating things slowly as you keep learning, but don’t expect the result Miss Mason achieved if you adhere more or less to her principles.

    Just my 2 cents.

    ServingwithJoy
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    Missceegee did a good job of clarifying that. Please read a lot about the CM philosophy before you purchase anything (well, except maybe the ‘All Day Seminar’). It is important to understand Charlotte Mason’s basic philosophy and principles before you begin – the foundation is everything.

    And there are many ‘curriculums’ that utilize Charlotte’s philosophies. If you get grounded in the basics first, you won’t waste time or money on things you don’t need and don’t know how to use effectively.

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