Frustrated with dd

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  • jill smith
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    I need some advice here please. My dd is 9 years old and not getting the reading thing very well. i get so frustrated because we have gone over the phonics rules over and over and she still struggles with words. for example the word sound, trying. Any suggestions? I think i may go back through How to Teach your child to read in a 100 easy lesson. Maybe do explode the code. Any good beginer books? SHe is reading the Path way readers and did good with the first three but now that we are in the green book she is struggling. Thanks for your hekp on this. Oh, and she is the first child I had to teach to read from the start. Hope I dont fail the 6 yr old too.

    On another note, I feel like I cant get my head above water most days and I really am a perfectionist and cant stand a dirt house. My kids keep saying I dont spend enough time with them, which is crazy i am here all day long. Is this normal? I guess I am burned out and need a break. Any suggestions?

    Thanks

    suzukimom
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    If you have done phonics over and over and she is struggling, it might be time for an evaluation for something like dyslexia, or eye convergence/tracking problems.

    psreitmom
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    Agreeing with suzukimom. Dyslexia could be a possibility. My daughter has it and I have been through the frustrations. It sounds like your daughter has progressed in her reading more than my daughter did by the age of 9. My daughter is now 11 and I would guess about the same level as your daughter in her reading.

     

    Don’t repeat all the phonics. The key is to expose her to new words and just let her practice reading. If it seems like she is making up words or reading them backwards, then you many be looking at dyslexia. Eye convergence also interferes with reading, so if her reading does not improve in a couple of months, find an ophthamologist to check to see if the eyes are teaming.

    Tristan
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    The others have addressed the reading pretty well I think.  A lot of it once she has the phonics tools and can use them is simply hours and hours of accumulated reading before fluency really happens.  Truly.  Or there could be some underlying dyslexia or eye issues. 

    I did want to address the clean house issue.  It is completely possible to homeschool and maintain a clean (not spotless every minute) home.  My big tips are obvious, but I’ll share them anyway hoping they encourage you.

    1. Get rid of stuff.  We need far less than we tend to keep (decor, clothing, toys, dishes, pots and pans, papers, and so on).  The goal is to only have available what can be put away in 10 minutes by a child.  So how many toys do you keep out?  Only as many as the kids can pick up in 10 minutes.  How many dishes do you keep out?  Only as many as you need to feed your family (and a few guests).  How many clothes does a child or adult need?  Only a few outfits that can mix and match, truly.  Pack up the rest and rotate them in and out of the closet or simply pass them on to someone else. 
    2. Take the time to train the children to do chores.  This is huge.  Yes, I know it is often faster to do it yourself, especially at first.  But given a decent training period the whole family can spread the workload and it will be done so much faster.  A simple example:  IN the time it takes me to do 2 chores I can have 8 other people doing 2 chores.  In my 20 minutes of work we’ve just finished 18 chores.  18!  Even if they just did 1 chore each we knock out 10 chores in just 20 minutes. 
    3. Good habits!  Train everyone to put things away where they belong right away, to not get a new book/toy/thing out until they’ve put away the last item, to pitch in when they see a job that needs doing, etc. 

    I hope those are encouraging.  If you’ve not read it yet, I have an entire blog series on training children to do chore.  It chronicles our chore journey and shares the method I have now used successfully for quite a while.  It’s called Operation Chore Training.

    Kayla
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    I wanted to address the kids asking you to spend more time with them comment. For my kids being in the room with them doesn’t count as spending time with them. They want/ need quality attention, one on one time. We try really hard as parents to make sure we are gettig enough time to talk with and listen to our children and just see what’s going on with their life. Ask them what makes them feel loved. I just did this and was really surprised by the answers.

    Dd5 said whe we o do tings together by ourselves “like when we ran out of paint and had to go buy more and I got to go with you.”

    Ds3 said when we ALL go to little sports class with him.

    From that I realized that my daughter really prefers one on one time, and my son prefers when we do things as a whole family. He doesn’t want just daddy to take him to little sports, he wants both his sisters and mom and dad to go and cheer him on.

    It was really eye opening for me.

    Kayla

    jill smith
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    Thank for all the good advice! My dd does wear glasses and jyst recently has been to the eye doctor. So, with that mentioned I think all children add in words that arent there. Mybolder children did the same thing. Honestly we are only in book 3 1/2 in explode the code. So maybewe need to keep pressing forward. Ive never done a formal phincs program. We got to lesson 34 Iin 100 easy lessons and then life got in the way.

    Ascfor cleaning, it makes me upset when things are a mess. I agree with you Tristan on having to much. I have put toys away while we were doing laying down the rails. My kids still didnt obey. So I just threw in the towel on it. I really want the ignotace and disrespect to change. Can I bting them to you? (Jk) my 5 yrs old is a pack rat. I asked her tge other day if she even plays with a paticular toy, which I new she hadn’t in a long time and her responce was,”I do”. So on that note I guess I need to clean house when they are gone.

    Kayla, I nevervthought to ask that question. I will be right on it this morning. I dont want them thinking I dont spend time with them. When I do, like playing a game there is always a fight o or arguement so I just quit. They argue over everything. I really need to watch the dvd on laying down the rails and start implementing it.

    Thank you for the advice. I do love this forum and the honest responcescthat come with it. I wonder what Sonyas advices would be on this?

    retrofam
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    Great advice here!

    For reading I went back to Reading Reflex. They use Phono-Graphics(similar to phonics) which emphasizes letter sounds vs. names. I got it on Amazon and ReadAmerica.net has many support materials. My dd almost 6 is struggling to learn to read, and doing better with Reading Reflex. I use All About Spelling’s letter tiles with magnets instead of the paper letters in the back of the book. The lessons are short and words are introduced early on.

    6boys1girl
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    I have a couple packrats too. They will keep anything and everything. Just a couple weeks ago I got fed up with the constant messes and packed everything up in boxes (no I wasn’t angry just tired of the mess -my kids actually were too). I made sure they couldn’t see what was in the boxes and each day they can ask for something out of the boxes that they will get to keep. After a few months, everything not asked for will either be packed/stored for a rainy day (not much for this) or given away. I figure if they can’t remember whats in the boxes to ask for it, they don’t really want/need it. So far it’s working really well. The things they’ve asked for they really do play with and they don’t seem to miss the things that are still in the boxes. They are also getting along a lot better which was an interesting side effect. They have even asked me to throw a few things in the boxes away – I think once they were separated from it, they realized that they didn’t really like/play with it. 

    Or you could keep a running list of things you see them play with and then start skimming off the things they ignore. 

    I did the above for my younger crew (ages 9 and down). For my older ones, I limit their space. Right now, they have 1 treasure drawer (either a footlocker or a rubbermaid bin), one bookshelf (most are book collectors like me) and one small shelf in the closet. If the spaces are too full, they have to clean something out. Just recently I started having them leave a bit of space in their space so they can get something new if they want without having to clear out something else right away. That is working really well.

    I tried this limiting space for the youngers but it took way too much of my time since they couldn’t do a lot of the clearing out, deciding, organizing by themselves. As they add stuff back in, I’ll help them arrange it better so there is still space left and it’s easy to clean up. 

    I know this probably all sounds harsh but it’s not, really! They have plenty of family stuff to play with. For example, my kids are lego fanatics so all our legos are organized into a big dresser for everyone to play with. The top of the dresser is available for keeping completed or still being worked on creations. Same with art supplies, books and games. They also have outside stuff – balls, rackets, bikes, scooters, wagons, etc. So far, though, the big clean out has been great – they play easily all day long, really want back what they ask for, get along better and spend a lot less time cleaning up!

    Just some thoughts : )

    anniepeter
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    Ok.  I know you were just kidding in your comment above about having someone else fix the problem, and I totally understand the frustration when you realize the kids are out of control…but it is imperative that we wake up and accept the responsibility for this.  Lest you think I’m heartless, and proud…or whatever…I’ve been there.  More than I care to admit.  And i have to pull myself up by the bootstraps and tell myself very firmly, that I have no one to blame for this but myself.  It’s a hard moment, but the kids would not be this way, had we not allowed it through neglect of our own duty toward them.  I love Tristan’s posts on things like this.  She shows us how and leaves us without excuse..but without condemning.  It’s doable but takes absolute diligence.  I’m fighting the same battle.  (Most of us probably are.)  And the first one is myself and my desire to throw in the towel.  This is how I’ve come to feel about it.  It is just not an option.  When we took the steps that led us to bearing/adopting these children we made an inherent, unspoken commitment to them before the Lord to care for them and teach them His ways.  And going back just isn’t an option.  Instead I need to re-commit, go to the Lord for help and work and WORK HARD without stopping until it is fixed.  Then the joy returns to life.  You can do this!!!

    anniepeter
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    I wanted to mention one more thing on the reading note. You’ve had lots of good advice already, I just want encourage you to give her plenty of time to practice reading material that is well within her grasp. There was a time with my son that I literally went to the library a few times with one goal: to get as many books with big print, no more than two lines on a page, beginner books. And if they were funny, so much the better. And I came home and told my son that when he finished those, I would go get more. There were probably 20 or so, he “couldn’t” really read, and I had to go back the next day! It was a major breakthrough for us. Maybe you can hit on a combination that will be right for you to give her the incentive, practice, desire…whatever is most needful. The essential for us was to avoid frustration at all costs, and build confidence to get rid of the “I can’t” attitude that was hindering progress. Incidentally, he was 10 at the time. All in good time 🙂

    6boys1girl
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    Saw this quote on a blog today and thought it was fitting for this:

    I can’t clean up my room. I keep getting distracted by the cool things I find. 

    Laughing

    Kristen
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    I wanted to comment on your perfectionist comment as I too was a perfectionist and this is a very big deal to me.  Sometimes I still am, however, I have learned to let it go.  I have my kids help with chores and I have learned to say “Thank you for dusting” or whatever they did and not criticize or do it over myself.  This was and still is hard for me but I work on it every day.  Some days are better then others. 

    This morning I found this poem on FB and shared it and I hope you can benefit from it as well.  I also keep in mind a question which I ask myself and my DH every once in a while; on your death bed are you going to wish that you had a cleaner house?

    Dust if you must,

    But wouldn’t it be better

     

    To paint a picture or write a letter,

    Bake a cake or plant a seed,

    Ponder the difference between want and need?

     

    Dust if you must, but there’s not much time,

    With rivers to swim and mountains to climb,

    Music to hear, and books to read,

    Friends to cherish and life to lead.

     

    Dust if you must, but the world’s out there,

    With the sun in your eyes, the wind in your hair,

    A flutter of snow, a shower of rain.

    This day will not come round again.

     

    Dust if you must, but bear in mind,

    Old age will come and it’s not kind.

    And when you go – and go you must –

    You, yourself, will make more dust.

     

    By Rose Milligan

    anniepeter
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    Kirsten- thank you so much for sharing that. I love it! It is so true. And how many other things should we try inserting in the place of “dust” as well, I wonder? Just please don’t say, “SCM forum”. 🙂 But sometimes I’m afraid I should. I’m trying to limit it a bit now at least.

    jill smith
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    Well, today we cleaned rooms and got rid of unwanted stuff. It is a good feeling and the kids were helping too. Anniepeter, I agree with you on the whole grabbing the bootstraps and get it going. I am usually very consistant on things. This whole laying down the rails is a bit confussing at times. I just asked my dh to watch the video with me so we can both be on board and the same level. We, to love legos and really thats mostly what the kids asked to keep besides lincoln logs and boards games. My ds loves his army men and match box cars. All the other junk is gone. Also, i left my dd 6yr play kitchen for imaginary play which I think is important. Thanks for all the advice. We all sure do go through diffent walks in life raising our little and big ones and prayer is the foundation for getting all of us through it for sure.

    Thanks for sharing that poem. I have heard that before and it does make you think.

    6boys1girl
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    Wow! That was fast – less than 24 hours since you first posted! 

    I’m betting you feel much freer and more relaxed, maybe not even burned out anymore. Good for you!

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