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First lessons in Logic-recommendations?
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I’d appreciate some input from those who have experince with the different early logic books out there; for example,The Fallacy Detective (TFD), Thinking Toolbox(TT) and The Art of Argument.
My son is 10, but is developmentally ready to start a ‘beginning logic’ lessons soon, despite his chronological age. So I am wondering if those who are familiar with these programs could tell me why they like them or not and specifically regarding TFD and TT, which one to use first?
I want to give him a good start in this area that will ultimately lead to more expansive development in this area in his upper years. Speaking of which; what upper level programs have you used and liked-I was looking at the Traditional Logic and additonal materials from Memoria Press , but there are probably others out there. Which ones of you with upper level children have used these programs?
Thanks, Rachel
Rachel,
We’ve done both The Fallacy Detective and The Thinking Toolbox. We think The Thinking Toolbox is easier, although it is often listed second. They are both pretty good and we had some rousing discussions over them. We have not yet done a traditional logic program, although we’ve looked at several. I like the “idea” of more logic, but when in practice we’ve seen and imagined ourselves doing the materials, we often aren’t happy with what we have found. It’s all so dull and, well, esoteric. We began a Teaching Company program this year called The Art of Argumentation and it was so dull and full of arcane stuff that we could never imagine having any real practical utility that we dumped it after a few lessons. We’ve wondered about doing The Art of Argument but have never actually tried it yet. Sorry we aren’t as much help!
We’re using The Fallacy Detective right now – it is good. We have Logic 1: Tools For Thinking to use after – I have looked through it and it looks pretty good, though we are not using it yet. There are some samples online:
http://classicallegacypress.com/logic1.htm
Sorry, that’s not much help.
Both of you were helpful, actually. My husband wants me to go ahead and get Fallacy Detective and I agree; though I don’t agree with getting it before his Latin studies start.
I’m not sure that I will bother going into TT after FD; just move into something else at that time. The Logic 1 looked interesting and got great reviews at Old Schoolhouse. I received the age span from Art of Logic’s ‘Logic Seminar’ is 12-112, so he would fall into that category after FD and maybe a gentle intro, such as Logic 1.
Do you know if Logic 1 is more Modern logics based or traditionally logics based?
Rachel
Bookworm, since you haven’t found anything yet; have you looked at Daniel Valles’ Logic Course? It’s broken into small sections and the DVD is based in Colonial times, so it seems less “dry” . It’s based on Isaac Watts’ book “Logic”. Here’s the description of the style in the Seminar; very stroy-like.
Rachel
Hi Rachel,
Traditional vs. modern – I’ll take a good look at it and let you know. It might take a few days though.
Gaeleen
Thanks Gaeleen; I got the impression from further reading at the site, that it’s a mixture of the two. If you could get a better hhadnle on it though, I’d appreciate it. I don’t mind waiting!
Rachel
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