Does anyone have long term experience with this curriculum? I love the way that its set up. I love that it includes everything, even picture study (though the pictures are in black and white.) It seems so easy to use, especially with multiple kids. I just want to make sure that there will be some retention over time.
I am also considering Analytical Grammar, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE that they teach grammar quickly, over a short period of time, and then just do reinforcments. But, I like this idea too, to bring up these concepts in a very natural way.
Oh, does this curriculum include some natural literary analysis? I’ve seen samples and held it at convention, but I didn’t buy it, so I don’t have it on hand to look at.
I love ELTL. Completed Level 2 with my 3rd grader this year. Next year he’ll move on to Level 3 in the fall and I’m planning to start Level 1 with my 1st and 2nd graders at that same time.
I liked it, but I ended up setting is aside in February and dropping grammar and going to PLL (PDF workbook available). It could have been user error on my part, I chose level 3 for my DD in 3rd grade. She had completed Rod & Staff grade 2 English in 2nd grade and could read the books so I thought it would be a good fit.
The diagraming made sense to her, but when we got to prepositions she got lost and was not grasping it at all and required a lot of hand holding on my part. Even prior to that, she was doing the exercises but I don’t know if much really “clicked”. My DD did not like that within a lesson some parts were for her, but others I had to do with her, so it felt like a lot of “do this, now wait for mom” for her. We were doing Spelling Wisdom so we did not do the dictation exercises, she was doing oral narration already with History and Science and would tell me about the fiction book she was reading with ELTL so we did not do any of the extra exercises for narration. We ended up using the reading schedule for the books suggested and the grammar exercises, we skipped the rest. That is the nice thing, do only what you want 🙂
I was also using ELTL level 1 for my ODS in 1st grade, so between the two of them, it felt like a lot for me as a teacher to do both books considering that both were pretty hands on for me to help the kids. In the end we rarely did the picture study because it would usually hit at a weird time of day, so I would say “we will get to that after…” but then never get back to it. I did much better with staying consistent with SCM picture portfolios.
I think it is a great program; just not the right fit for me right now. Maybe another time or if I had picked a different level it would have worked better for us.
There is a free download at Lulu for the picture study paintings in color.
Thank you! I didn’t know that. I end up looking up the painting and saving it as the background on our computer for a few weeks until the next one comes up.
First question, the books that I saw at conference had B&W pictures, not color like the samples. Has this been updated?
Now, I’m really confused about which way to go. I LOVE that ELTL has everything in one place. That’s so simple and makes sense to me. We use Heart of Dakota, and all of the skills that are in ELTL will be covered in HOD, but through various resources and subjects. In fact, there is redundancy, in that grammar is done in the English book twice a week and in the writing curriculum twice a week. Oral and written narrations are done with history, story time, and science. The kids are scheduled to do A LOT of this. I know that’s good, but I’m struggling to get everything done.
We’ve used HOD for 7 years with my oldest son, and this is our 4th year with my three middle boys (10,9,8). We are reusing the books that my oldest went through, but next year will be the one guide that we skipped with my oldest. So, i’m not tied to using it. I could go rouge(sp???) and do whatever I want. However, I know I’ll return to HOD, simply because we have 7 years of material.
Sigh. I need to take a break from planning, and figure all of this out.
My biggest cause for concern is that my oldest isn’t strong in LA. Mainly because I was having babies and he had to work independently. I wasn’t very disciplined in teaching him this subject. I want to make sure I don’t neglect this complex area with my other kids.
This is exactly the conversation I needed!! I’ve been looking into this program for our son. He is a rising 5th grader with dyslexia and other learning differences so I’m looking more at content rather than levels/grades.
I intend to start formal grammar with him. We tried Easy Grammar this year in 4th grade, but it was unsuccessful. He didn’t retain anything, possibly because it was so dry and “boring” to him. He loves books when I read aloud so I’m thinking ELTL may bring the grammar to life, so to speak, or make it more meaningful.
I was originally thinking I could create my own English program, but it would be so time consuming. ELTL looks exactly like what I’m looking for.
I’d would love to hear more feedback from those using the program, particularly long term users, as mentioned by the original poster. Is level 2 foundational? I’m debating between level 2 & 3, but wondering if level 3 would move a bit too quickly for him. Is level 3 the start of sentence diagramming?
Level 2, which is what I am using now, has gone through the basic eight parts of speech, addressing an envelope, the months of the year, capitalization, parts of a letter, and the use of apostrophes.
I don’t have Level 3 yet, but I do think that is when sentence diagramming begins.
There are PDF samples of ELTL available at http://www.lulu.com. I would think that would include the scope and sequence of each level.
Maybe it was just us, but the way everthing was drawn out, only 3 days per week, my DD did not retain as well as I had thought she would. Also having only 2 practice questions, then waiting a couple days or more (if the weekend) to do 2 more sentences… we often had to go back to remind. I don’t know… I loved the idea, but it did not work for my DD.
I now really understand the idea of grammar being taught as a group (like JAG), not drawn out and then just review. I think it will work better for my DD. She likes to just get things done and move on, not drag out explanations, but that is her personality. Give her the facts, not extras, LOL
Thank you ladies, both your posts have given me more to think about.
“Level 2, which is what I am using now, has gone through the basic eight parts of speech, addressing an envelope, the months of the year, capitalization, parts of a letter, and the use of apostrophes.”
jawgee, your summary is helpful. I’m intrigued by level 2 since it covers the 8 parts of speech, however, some of the others skills may be repetitive…but a little review never hurts.
sarah2106, I totally get what you’re saying. I’ve been back and forth on this idea of just the facts grammar and “drawing it out”. I can see pros and cons to both.
One thing that really draws me to ELTL is the use of real literature to illustrate the parts of speech. My son is definitely a just the facts kind of kid, but he also wants to see how it’s applicable. If it doesn’t seem relevant to him at the time, he wants no part of it.
Do either of you use the additional workbooks or do your kiddos answer orally or in a notebook? I’m thinking the workbook with cursive font would be helpful for copywork.
I also like that the author included copywork, picture study, and narration prompts with the grammar as it seems to kill multiple birds with one stone. Does the program flow naturally or does incorporating all these methods make it choppy?
My DD would read the chapter of the book to me, she liked that part, but the actually lessons were choppy for us. It starts with the grammar instruction which was written to the student, but after reading it she would usually want to read it with me to make sure she understood. Then depending on the lesson, some had an excerpt of a book that I was to read to her and she would do an oral narration. Some lessons would have a passage that I would read to her but it was a week later that she would do a written narration about what I read the week prior (it would say we could review if we wanted, but it seemed odd to wait). Some lessons had poetry that I would ask her to read out loud to me or I would read to her. On picture study day, usually she would reach for it at a weird time of day so I would tell her to do the grammar exercise and we would rarely get back to the picture study because the book would get closed. At the end of the lesson it has the copy work, dictation (if included that lesson), and the grammar exercise. So it felt like a lot of back and forth, and having a 1st grade and preK, it felt choppy like she had to wait for me a lot or we had to set it aside and pick it back up to finish a lesson later in the day.
In the end what worked for us was that I would tell DD to read the grammar instruction and skip everything else and go to the grammar exercise. I would glance at the lesson and decide if we wanted to do anything else. We used Spelling Wisdom so skipped dictation exercises and skipped the copy work because I wanted to use something different, so in reality we just used it for grammar.
The work book was nice, but don’t print everything! Print the exercises (diagraming and marking sentences), and copy work if you are going to use it, but I would not print the rest. I did (oops) and we only ended up using the grammar exercise pages.
As I said before though… I think it is a good program, has great information and a lot of great thoughts and work went into making it a good program, just not the best fit for us right now:) Right now we do best with getting to work and finishing with out breaks. With breaks we have a hard time coming back to things, so having to have DD set it aside and the pick it up when I had a chance to read something specific to her or do picture study… we struggled with that.
It doesn’t flow as well as a grammar-only workbook would, but my 9YO son enjoyed the variety. He loves the Aesop’s Fables, looks forward to the narration days, and really enjoys listening to the literature selections on audio. (I get the audio books from Librivox. It’s such a peaceful part of his day. He always wants to tell me all about the story).
He doesn’t care for the picture study as much, but I love that it is in there.
His retention has been very good. I’m very pleased with what he has learned. Each lesson only takes us 10-15 minutes, so it is short enough for him to pay attention and really give it his best.
I didn’t use the workbook this year but plan to use them next year with my then 10YO, 7YO, and 6YO in place of their current copywork.
If you are using this for younger ages (6-8) what are your goals? Are you introducing grammar? Or using it for copy work, picture study, etc?
I know each family is different and follow CM guidelines differently. If I was trying to adhere to introducing grammar later could I benefit from this or just wait to use when introducing grammar?
We already do our own picture study, copy work, and narration. Is there another benefit I would gain from using this now?
I think that is why it was not the best fit for us, it included things that became duplicated.
When I purchased it I liked the idea of it being all together, but as we started implementing things, I realized that we were already doing so much of everything already, so it became duplicated and we went to just the grammar instruction with Level 3 for my ODD. I wanted her to have some grammar instruction, but did not want to go too in-depth and thought this would be a great start.
Level 1 is a nice intro; It covered simple mechanics like starting with a capital letter or notice the punctuation or quotation, also included days of the week, months of the year… and it had really nice fables to read with my ODS; but as with Level 3 and my ODD a lot of it seemed duplicated with what we were already doing and what came up naturally in copy work (as far as punctuation and capitalization).
I have found over this past year that I tend to like programs that are subject specific and then mix and match what I like. Like something specific for grammar, dictation, copy work… not all together; BUT if you like everything together this is a fabulous program!
Oh and Level 3 does not have nearly as many of the Aesop’s Fables, it has some, but moves into other writings as well.
This has been very helpful ladies!! Thanks so much for taking the time to post and share your experiences.
I also wanted to mention that I found a Barefoot Ragamuffins Yahoo Group, which the author, Kathy Jo DeVore, is a part of. She responds to questions regularly and so far has also been very helpful.
I look forward to any further discussion here 🙂
Melissa
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