Defending methods?

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  • Tecrz1
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    We just started our second year of total CM schooling last week. My husband normally stays out of homeschooling completely, although he has always been totally for it. He told me he trusted me to take care of it.

    Since we have started school he has already expressed his dislike of how we do some things. He doesn’t like me letting my son dictate for me to write. He wants him to write himself. My son is 8 and still struggles with cursive handwriting without a model. If I ask him to write a narration he stares at the paper and writes about two words in 10 minutes, makes many mistakes, etc. I usually take two dictated narrations a week, and assignments in EFTTC, etc.

    If I write for him he immediately narrates fluidly and in complete sentences. I tried to explain the reason behind the method but my husband believes I am just making it too easy for him.

    Today he raised another issue. He feels we are not structured enough – not meaning we do not have a schedule because we do – but that I allow the children to play with toys while I read or let them lay on the floor. He wants them to sit up and listen without doing anything else. There are other issues but the gist is that we are not enough like a traditional way of schooling.

    He is going to want changes and Im not sure what to do. How can I make CM fit his view of doing “real” school? He wants the children sitting quietly and working. He has even mentioned my 4dd and how she would need to act at a preschool – as in not playing with her ponies while Mom is reading a book out loud. I figure it’s awesome that my 4yo listens to world history. He values the sitting quietly, focusing, not talking, and general classroom behavior more. He said it is reality and how we school is not teaching our children how reality works.

    Do any of you have your children sit at a table, not do anything but listen, and not talk out or wiggle, etc?

    Tara

    Tristan
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    We do it only for scripture study (and technically each child has scriptures to hold, so they still have something.

    Here are my thoughts –

    – Where in real life will they be expected to sit and be still and listen now? And does that apply when they are adults? For example, my children do need to sit and be still at church. And will also do that as adults. However, many (most?) jobs do not require a person sitting still with nothing in their hands. Even in business meetings/board meetings you would have paper and pen and could take notes or doodle while listening. We try to work on sitting still with nothing to do where it will be appropriate, and not worry about the rest.

    In traditional schooling the focus is not on sitting still and doing nothing while listening to a teacher read aloud. The child is usually handed a pencil and something to do (workbook/worksheet/etc) and reading aloud is short IF it even happens. So his argument doesn’t quite fit. They are two different methods.

    – For writing versus mom taking dictation: I take dictation from mine when the point of the subject is content understanding (history or science, I want to see what they know, not how well they can write). When the point of a lesson is how well they write (composition) then they do the writing. When the point of a lesson is how neatly they write (copywork) then they do the writing. Does that make sense?

    So maybe what your husband would like to see is actual writing assignments at least once a week where your son is given a prompt and writes it himself. Then you spend the next several days gently focusing on editing sentence structure (word choice, punctuation, etc) and the last day of the week or the next week he writes a nice copy.

    You did mention cursive struggles – we don’t do cursive unless the child wants to learn it on their own. School assignments are written in print unless they have mastered the mechanics of cursive (or italics or any other style). When a child has to focus on how to form each letter they are going to struggle to hold onto a train of thought and compose things. Separate tasks! Not to mention thinking about the spelling of something or the punctuation to use, etc. So another possibility could be to take your son’s dictation and type it into a program like Startwrite to make it cursive. Then print it out with space/lines for him to then use it as copywork (or print it in cursive and he can write on another sheet of paper with that as his example).

    Hope those ideas help a bit!

    Rebekahy
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    Tara – I think we’re married to the same man!  I don’t have lots of time to write now, but I’ll try to post later about what we’ve done to help put his concerns to rest.

    Rebekah

    curlywhirly
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    Oh this is tough, but I think the best advice is to pray that God would open your husbands mind and heart to the bounty CM has to offer your family. Prayer really does change things.That said, I have some ideas to approach things with your hubby. Just take what works for your family (if anything) and leave the rest.

    I would make sure that you tell your hubby how much you appreciate his perspective and value his insights. Everyone likes to be appreciated, especially hubbys. 😉 There is something to be said for developing self control and learning to sit quietly at times, perhaps this is something you can work into your day. It can be done gently without taking the joy out of your children’s education.You can start with just 2 or 3 minutes at a time and make a game out of it as they build up the ability to sit and listen quietly, and it doesn’t need to be every single time you do any schooling. You will be teaching yoru children a valuable lesson about honorong your hubby.

    Meanwhile, I would try to gently tell your hubby *why*  you have been doing things the way you do them in your home. Share your philosophy of education, and what you hope to gain from it. I’ve noticed people who have been through institutional schools often think their experience is the only “normal” one out there, but can often see other opportunities when exposed to the how and especially *why* and begin to see the benefits of other options. He is probably having insecurities because he saw or heard something, or he’s getting some pressure from someone and he’s trying to meet expectations. You can help him overcome his fears by loving him, affirming him and sharing with him the wonerful freedom and joy you have in CM education.

    eawerner
    Participant

    About taking dictation vs having ds write it out… Homeschooling offers the benefit of being able to let your child progress at his/her own level.  If your son was on grade level for everything else, but a whiz at math, would dh want to keep him in his grade level or let him go faster through the books?  If he was average in most things but a voracious reader, would dh say, “That’s great, but he’s in third grade, I don’t want him to try reading a 6th grade book.”? What about if he was a excelled in creative writing, but the magazine contest required a typed/emailed copy of the story? Would he not be able to enter because one of his skill sets wasn’t at the same level as another skill set?

    I know you understand the point I am trying to make but maybe putting to dh in a different way or about a different subject would be easier for him to understand.  And of course you still want to be working dilligently on the skills that need more work, but you don’t want to kill his love of history or science over how fast he can write down words.

    As for the sitting still, curlywhirly does make a good point that it could be something you gently work on without it putting a damper on the enjoyment of school/reading time. I know if, say, the sunday school teacher made a comment about one of our kids not sitting still dh would probably/reasonably conclude that always allowing the kids to have stuff to do while I am reading to them gets them into that habit.  And they do also need to have the habit of sitting quietly and respectfully without a crutch.

    I’m also curious, why is he is favor of homeschooling if he wants it to be like traditional school? Wouldn’t it be easier to just send them off to school?  What is it that he *likes* about homeschooling?

    bethanna
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    I have no advice or ideas, but I will be praying for you both.

    jeaninpa
    Participant

    My dh doesn’t have time to research home schooling the way that I do, so sometimes I’ll type up a little summary of something I’ve read, or some quotes that encapsulate the philosophy to share with him.  Perhaps the best thing would be to go to a CM presentation at a homeschool conference, or purchase dvd’s and watch them together so that someone else is explaining the philosophy to him.  

     

    LindseyD
    Participant

    When we first began homeschooling, I read both of Catherine Levison’s books on CM as well as Karen Andreola’s A Charlotte Mason Companion. If I found something that really stuck out to me, I would mark it and read it to my husband later. He was completely fine with however I chose to home educate and still leaves all the schooling decisions related to books, materials, style, etc. up to me. But I wanted to give him some of my reasons and confirmations for choosing the CM style. He would listen to my reading and ask questions, but ultimately always tell me that it was up to me and that he supported me in whatever I chose.

    If you have a chance to read your husband some selections about CM, perhaps that would clear things up for him and give him more understanding as to why you’ve chosen this method. I think others often listen better to what others say (authors, pastors, teachers, etc.) than they do to the people they love because the pastors/teachers/authors provide some level of credibility, if that makes sense.

     

    Tecrz1
    Participant

    Thank you ladies. I think we may have reached a good compromise. I already have the children sit and focus during Bible so that isnt a problem. My children know how to sit quietly at church or other events. I will not allow them to play with toys or do anything during our morning history readings, but our family literature read aloud (which is more “fun”) I do after lunch they can.

    My son is going to begin writing one sentence for himself, gradually building up. I am going to stick with cursive because after a year and a half of working on cursive I want to persevere. His cursive is faster and more legible than his printing at this point.

    My husband likes homeschooling because he sees the results both academically and behaviorally. He went to public school and I was homeschooled from sixth grade on so I understand we are operating from separate viewpoints.

    I have tried to share ideas and things from what I read. He is not very interested honestly. He usually just tells me to do what I think best. I’m surprised that he suddenly started questioning things.

    He seems to be afraid that I may be too easy on the children and let them be lazy or fall behind. Honestly, I have my own attacks of doubt now and then so I suppose I can’t fault him. I even peeked at our old curriculums website and after choking on the cost and reminding myself of how much my son hated it I decided there was no way I wanted to go back. I had to remind myself that CM methods work, just calm down. 🙂

    Thanks again,

    Tara

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