CM vs. WTM… a question

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  • OK, so I’ve been reading the responses to a question posted about science and your answers have been extremely helpful. However, they brought up a question in me and since I’m on the first book of CM, I guess I’m looking for a quick way to get it answered. So… I’m turning to you wonderful ladies. 🙂

    What’s the difference between using the history modules as they are presented here (with living books) and using the history breakdown in the Well Trained Mind (with living books). I’ve been following their basic outline for four or five years now, but I don’t teach it they way they suggest. I don’t do the memorizing each king in the Tudor dynasty in Englad or other memorizing hoops to jump through. I still find wonderful biographies or literature of the time period and then have the children narrate back to me. Am I missing a big distinction? I also purchased Tapestry of Grace specifically for the book lists (before I found the ones here) 🙂 and am using the literature, history, and philosophy ideas from them, but not using the worksheets or breaking everything into distinct units.

    I guess my basic question is… as long as we’re reading good books from the historical time period, and doing narration, are we education in a CM fashion? Or, as I suspect might be the case, am I just WAY off the whole CM philosophy of education?

    PLEASE HELP!

    Jen

    CindyS
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    Hi Jen,

    The difference between using the history modules as they are presented here and using the history breakdown in the Well Trained Mind is your preference. CM is a method (which you are doing) with the content being living books (which you are using).

    All of these book lists come from people that care about teaching through living books. The result is that they are presenting you with their best ideas, but those ideas will obviously differ in some fashion. Your task is to find the one that fits your family, or create your own. If you have been using the WTM outline for 4-5 years, it sounds like it is working for your family and you are doing a wonderful job.

    Blessings,

    Cindy

    Bookworm
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    In my experience, CM and the modern WTM-style classical often do end up doing some of the same things, but often for different reasons, and the different reasons explain the areas where the two approaches do diverge, like in grammar instruction for young children and all. Yes, you could absolutely take good living books from whatever other program you find them, and apply CM methods to them. It sounds like you are already doing this, so you don’t have to worry about whether you are really “CM” or not. You don’t have to use a CM “program” to be educating in a CM style.

    You perhaps aren’t seeing a big distinction because you are already using the books in a more CM friendly manner, but if you reflect on the purposes of studying history, for example, in a more classical style, you’ll notice the differences right away! Classical history education can be “living” and “entertaining” but for the purpose of engaging the child to take in all the facts–“cover” all the periods—-and memorize as much as possible. So, for example, in WTM, a big hairy spine book which may not be a living book, is prescribed, with the child outlining each chapter as it is read, memorizing lists of Russian tsars, vbg, and “covering” everything. THEN, to make it more interesting, biographies and good fiction and other things are added in. But the meat is that spine and those endless outlining pages . . . which is also where I lost my son. 🙂 In CM education, the goal is not so much “covering everything” and “memorizing everything” but grasping living ideas, and learning many things about a time period, dwelling in it in the imagination and experiencing it. Therefore, we don’t have to outline every chapter in a big comprehensive history book, and we don’t have to memorize all the Tudors, but we read living books and narrate. The WTM-style classical method is much more concerned with facts as food–necessary food, and if you don’t have the right ones you have starved. 🙂 While CM is a banquet of exquisite richness–instead of Jetson-style meals-in-a-pill, efficient but dry, a CM education is a buffet of all the colors and flavors one can find, and we’ll each leave the buffet with a somewhat different plateful, but that’s OK because it’s all nutritious AND delicious. 🙂

    So, no, you aren’t missing anything, it sounds like you are doing a great job. You aren’t way off at all.

    Michelle D

    Shanna
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    Great post Michelle!!!

    SueinMN
    Participant

    Wow, Michelle, I loved how you described a CM education. You really helped me clearly see the differences.

    Cindy and Michelle,

    Thanks so much for your posts. They were not only helpful in describing the differences, but also very encouraging. At least once a year I have a “oh-my-goodness-I’m messing my kids up forever” meltdown, but rarely BEFORE school actually starts! 🙂 Thanks again for your kind words.

    Jen

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