CM Philosophy question

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  • Charmayne
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    I have another question. (sorry- I am new here and new with the whole CM philosophy)

    I feel I should start out and introduce myself as I have not done this. I have been homeschooling my 4 children since birth, but officially since 2006. I have a 10 yr ds old, an 8 yr old ds, a 4 yr old ds and an almost 2 yr old dd. We have followed the Well Trained Mind book with great success and we really like it. And despite my surprise (and expectation), I have not suppressed or depressed my children’s desire to learn. Now having said that, we have had some really rough learning times but we have persevered through successfully, and my children do like to know when they are finished their schoolwork so they can go play, but they still lovvvvve reading literature and learning new things.

    The last few years I have felt I was lacking a better reason for homeschooling. I was finding my purpose shallow “to educate them in knowledge” or as others put it “to fill their minds with information.” It was becoming shallow for me. I wanted a bigger purpose than learning information. I wanted it to be because of our belief in Christ and in following him. furthermore, I was wanting to incorporate more beauty, enjoyment,  and life skills into our day like art study, music, poetry, baking, woodwork, and such as I believe life is much more than academic. We had focused strongly on learning and builidng my children’s 3 R’s and the 4 major subjects (math, L.A., history, science) the first 4 years.

    I have always had a desire for my children to develop their owmn vibrant relationship with Christ first and then build their skills – academic, talents, interests, life skills etc secondarily to do what God calls them to do in being a husband, father, citizen, and witness/servant of  Christ. So I began to search for more.Over time the CM philosophy has really grown on me. Presently, I really agree with most of what CM says in her philosophy and in how to homeschool, though not all.

    My question is: do you all follow the CM philosophy to the tee? or do you follow her loosely?Do you do any of you home schooling totally different from the CM philosophy for some subjects? How have your resolved this with following the CM philosophy? Do you still consider yourself a CM homeschooler?

    I have read on other CM online forum groups that if a person does not follow her philosophy, then they are not giving their children a CM education?What if a person likes or agrees with 90% of the CM philosophy, but not the other 10%?Wwhat if a person blends two methods together for their own good reasons and becuas they see it working for their family? Does this mean these people are not following the CM philosophy?

    Does it matter whether we label or not our children’s homeschooling a CM education or some other ? I am finding that homeschoolers when they tell someone that they follow a certain method/philosophy, that it is easy to look down upon or think other homeschoolers of our methods/philosophies are lacking in their homeschooling in some way. As Christians, shouldn’t it be more important to state that we gave our children an education with a biblical worldview over stating we followed a particular philosophy?

    What are your thoughts?

    I ask these questions because I am trying to work through these type of philosophical ideas.

     

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    Good questions.  I struggle/have struggled with some of these myself.  Can’t say I ever totally get over the comparing, wondering if I should be doing more of this, less of that…..

    I call myself a CM homeschooler, because that is the majority of what I follow.  CM is also considered classical, but I don’t really call myself that because that usually means in h.s. circles that you follow a trivium stictly, use Veritas or WTM, etc.  I struggle sometimes because I think there is a view out there that CM is more relaxed—-which I think it is in the younger years.  But I think the end result is very similar (though, of course, there is a difference between Veritas and WTM….I don’t think WTM has the strenth of Christian Worldview that Veritas has, if I understand correctly). 

    Though it makes planning a bit more challenging, I combine what I like from both CM and WTM philosophies.  I use a combination of SCM and Ambleside for most of our subjects.  I like SCM for history choices since I can keep my kids together.  I use a lot of the Ambleside literature choices.  The Ambleside high school years really seem impressive/rigorous to me.  We add in a progymnasmata writing program (Writing Tales, then Classical Writing).  I don’t think progym is necessarily the writing style of choice for CM or WTM, but it’s so rich I feel that it will help fill in any gaps I may have in literature analysis, logic, rhetoric (along with occasional use of Critical Thinking Co. type products). 

    I don’t know if that helps much, just what we do.  I bought the “Planning Your CM Education” from SCM—very helpful to lay everything out for a CM education, picking your own resources.  Bottom line is it’s up to you and your husband before the Lord to educate how you see fit, and you  hit the nail on the head that as Christians it’s more important to give our kids a biblical worldview than to follow a particular philosophy.  Best wishes as you work through some of this!   Blessings, Gina

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    P.S.  I think it was listed in one of your other posts, but the article by Susan W. Bauer on how similar WTM and CM are was helpful to me when working through some of these questions.  There didn’t seem to be much difference, except she was very strong on more formal Lang. Arts instruction…so I add in more just to be safe, since writing is such an important subject (but don’t know if it’s fully necessary….could be my own confidence issues!)

    Doug Smith
    Keymaster

    Charlotte Mason was an imperfect human being just like the rest of us. She developed some wonderful and effective educational philosophies, but even those of us who run this site don’t agree with her 100%. Our goal is to help you tailor a quality education that fits your family and situation.

    Bookworm
    Participant

    I agree with so many posters on this topic.  YOU are ultimately in charge of your child’s education and you are the one who needs to “make the call” on the issues in light of your individual children, your own personal and financial resources, and what we know now that Charlotte did not know then.  I’ve said before–there are no Charlotte Mason police who are going to show up at your home and take away your “CM license” for not doing something right.  If you have learned from Charlotte Mason’s methods, then IMO you can call yourself a CM-style or CM-inspired or just plain CM educator if you want.

    THAT SAID, don’t be too quick to decide that Charlotte is full of beans about something.  Keep an open mind.  I’ve talked to so, so many homeschoolers just getting introduced to CM methods who have not really thoroughly read and studied Charlotte’s own writings and own practices closely, and just “assume” that what “everyone” says is what Charlotte said.  Then, later, upon actually studying Charlotte’s writings, they discover that it’s not at all what they thought, or that Charlotte’s actual ideas were much more nuanced than is commonly understood by the people who talk and blog about Charlotte.  I think it’s very worthwhile to commit to study, learn and read with an open mind, and maybe in the end you will understand something better or differently than before, or perhaps you might even end up changing your own mind.  Laughing  I know I’ve counseled and talked to many nervous CM newbies who are all concerned that Charlotte “doesn’t want to teach hard science, only nature study” or that she advocates “totally child-led learning” or that she requires lots of tea parties “and my kids won’t like that”  or that “CM works great for girls but not for boys” or that “CM is great for young, young children but you need to switch to classical for teenagers” and on and on, and they’ve all been very surprised when I told them none of the above were true.  I’ve also talked to many who were just convinced that there is no way Charlotte could have been right about the way to teach composition, and so they tried doing some CM methods but using lots of early grammar and writing, only to knock their heads against the wall and end up, years down the road, deciding maybe Charlotte was on to something after all.  (Actually I also fall into this category.) 

    Also, take into account that some of Charlotte’s methods build upon each other, and when you use them together, you may very well be getting more than the sum of the parts.  I’m thinking specifically of the parts of language learning that Charlotte lays out for us, but it may apply to other areas as well. 

    So, yes, absolutely feel free to take what you need now and don’t worry about the rest immediately.  But consider continuing to study and learn in case there is something you don’t already know yet.  I am still learning, and I’ve been at this for years and read many of her volumes many times over.  And my understanding of CM methods is vastly different than it was my “first” year.  There are still a few things, like the very wise SCM team, on which I just don’t agree.  But I surely agree with her more now than I did then.

    Charmayne
    Participant

    I have so appreciated  your responses.

    Momto2blessings -I really like what the WTM has to offer (as that is what we have been doing the last many years and doing it quite well), but exactly as you said, the WTM is not about developing a Christian Worldview (though it briefly talks about it here and there). I have read those aricles on the WTM site and have really liked them for how they show similarities/differences in the how-to-do homeschooling of the two methods, but the two articles on this site, SCM, really explains well the differences of each method’s purpose for homeschooling your child. This is important. The WTm is very much about academics. This is not bad as it is necessary for many reasons, but not for the main purpose in life. It leaves a person empty and shallow without direction. Hence why I believe in Christ! And I prioritize our growing relationship with Christ and serving him by serving others is more important than academics. This is what really draws me so strongly to Charlotte Mason.

    Thankyou for sharing with me what you have done and how you meld the two methods together. I think I will combine the ideals and principles I like from the two philosophies. I also think I will need to read and understand Charlotte Mason’s Original Series so I can get a real sense of what she is saying.

    You are right that the bottom line is that my husband and I have to educate our chidlren as we see fit according to how God leads us. And we are doing just that. I too have to stop comparing and be onfident in what I am doing for my children.

    Doug Smith – thankyou for coming out and saying what I was thinking. I was not sure I could say that (not necessarily on this site as I do feel I can be honest here without ridicule) on other CM sites.Iti s good to have a man here who keeps things balanced! I beleive thus far from what I read that Charlotte Mason wrote down her solid educational philosophies to help teachers and parents give children the best of the best to live an abundant and godly life. I don’t think she intended that we could not alter things if we thought it was necessary or right as I have read she encouraged parents and teachers to continually learn and grow in all areas of their lives.

    Thankyou both for responding and helping me work out my thoughts.

    Charmayne
    Participant

    To Bookworm

    You are great! I laughed when I read “I’ve said before–there are no Charlotte Mason police who are going to show up at your home and take away your “CM license” for not doing something right.  If you have learned from Charlotte Mason’s methods, then IMO you can call yourself a CM-style or CM-inspired or just plain CM educator if you want.” It made my day! Laughing

     

    I really liked the fact that you highlighted another important point about Charlotte Mason. You said what we know now, Charlotte did not know then. This is a very important point. From what I have read, she encouraged her teachers and parents to continue learning and growing – to stay on top of the latest new knowledge or research. This means that our educational philosophy may be tweaked and altered for waht is best for our children over time. i must say that this does require great discernment on our part as many “good or great” ideas come our way, but we should not necessarily implement them. We need to know our OWN philosophy (which includes those thigns we have learned from Charlotte Mason) and judge these new things according to those beliefs and standards. If the “good or great” idea does not fit with our philosophy, then we happily and contentedly leave it fall by the wayside without any stress or struggle on our part (but rather know it is not for us.)

     

    Your comments in the second paragraph have been my EXACT thoughts as of the past month or so. I really think I should read CM’s very own writings so I know for myself what she said and meant. I think I have avoided reading the Original series because of the old english. I have heard it is hard and takes alot of time to work through. I think I should ignore what others say and just dive in! Wink So I will do just that this coming weekend!

     

    I am also doing a study on children, learning, and training from the Bible. I use biblegateway.com – only their wordsearch (I don’t use anything else as the commentaries can cloud my thinking. I want to read the Word myself and have the Holy Spirit lead me and highlight to me those things that I should learn, understand, and apply to my life. ) (I also only use the KJV).  I want to first follow the Word of God over what anyone else says in my life. I just appreciate that Charlotte Mason had a belief in God and weaved that strongly into her philosophy.

     

    Bookworm, would you please elaborate on “Also, take into account that some of Charlotte’s methods build upon each other, and when you use them together, you may very well be getting more than the sum of the parts.  I’m thinking specifically of the parts of language learning that Charlotte lays out for us, but it may apply to other areas as well.” i think I understand what you are saying, but I don’t want to miss it if I am not.

     

    Thankyou for “So, yes, absolutely feel free to take what you need now and don’t worry about the rest immediately.  But consider continuing to study and learn in case there is something you don’t already know yet.  I am still learning, and I’ve been at this for years and read many of her volumes many times over.  And my understanding of CM methods is vastly different than it was my “first” year.  There are still a few things, like the very wise SCM team, on which I just don’t agree.  But I surely agree with her more now than I did then.” 

    These words have given me freedom to do what I need to do for the present time and for our future. I am encouraged by your own learning and growth. I am also glad that we can encourage each other in this journey of homeschooling even though we may not always agree.

    Thankyou Bookworm!

     

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