CM is College Prep

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  • Claire
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    I believe that a CM education prepares a child wonderfully for college level work.  I think when we are tempted to switch from CM to other more schoolish methods at middle and high school ages, we are doing a disservice to the CM philosophy of education.  I’ve been in a few wonderful conversations with older people, many of whom are college professors, and they seem to confirm this idea of mine. 

    I know there are few on here who would admonish this idea … feeling there is a need to increase rigor, add texts for higher Maths, add texts for Sciences … etc.  But I really believe you can accomplish a college prep education within the framework of a CM philosophy.  Now, I don’t mean that you wouldn’t use texts for Maths but perhaps that is not all you would use.  Reading about the great mathematicians and scientists … they used a far more CM style than what we would do now for a student interested in those subjects.

    Maybe we haven’t fleshed out well enough what these upper years look like?  What we could use is more in the way of material sharing for these years.  We need to diversify our booklists and add materials too. 

    What do you all think?

    Claire
    Participant

    Sonya’s series on Highschool can be found here along with lots of other great resources too:

    SCM Search “high school”

    Here is a great quote from an SCM mom Heidi Shaw:

    “No, teaching the CM way through high school did not and doesn’t seem
    intimidating. Just daunting during the organization phase. But really,
    it seems to me to be just a continuation of a lifestyle of learning that
    by high school is likely already in place. We homeschooled CM style
    with and without textbooks. It really doesn’t matter what the program or
    book is you use as your base, you can always make it better with living
    books, narration, discussion, etc, and thus make it a true CM
    education. Charlotte wasn’t totally against all text books, and I am
    sure she made good use of whatever she had, turning it into a better
    experience for her students. That is and has been my goal.”

    TailorMade
    Participant

    I agree, Claire.  Would love to help you with this project.  Smile

    Sara B.
    Participant

    I know people personally who have schooled their children with pure CM methods all the way through high school (no textbooks for science, teaching math her way, etc), and I have met the kids, and they were wonderfully prepared.  Those experiences and meetings have solidified my dedication to CM’s philosophy.  🙂

    Claire
    Participant

    Sara B. – I wish that she’d post her daily routines, share her materials, etc.  That’s what we need more of on the forum to keep us all feeling confident and such as we move forward.  We have so many great elementary plans being shared all the time.  Surely as much work and fun (ha ha) goes in to middle and high school planning? 

    Who wants to share their Squidoo files?!  Wink

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m definitely following this thread. I have a high schooler and I’d love to hear from others who have graduated students following the CM method. Willow Tree Community School is a CM school. On the school’s website, they have a page for high school that includes a high school handbook. It might be helpful to read the info. they have on their high school as it discusses how they have their high school structured. I think it’s helpful to see CM’s methods applied in a high school setting to get an idea of how you could structure for credit high school courses in a CM manner. Here’s the link to Willow Tree Community School’s high school page.

    http://wtcsprospectivestudents.weebly.com/high-school.html

    Maybe that’s helpful? 🙂

    TailorMade
    Participant

    Thanks, Mrs. K!  I enjoyed reading the wording on the highschool pdf.

     

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You’re welcome! I found it very encouraging when I read it because it helped me have a visual of how to still do high school courses for credit using the CM method without feeling like you have to resort to grades and the traditional tests. Don’t get me wrong. I still have my daughter take traditional style tests because I want her to have experience taking those types tests. We also incorporate some textbooks as well because I feel it is important for my daughter to have experience using textbooks as well. But as someone else had pointed out, CM is a method and it can be applied to a wide range of materials.

    Personally, I really wish there were a complete CM curriculum that has everything planned out and the schedules written to the students like MFW and Sonlight does for the high school level. Something that included narration points and discussion starters and gives the teacher a summary of what is being read each week (like TOG does). Not a lot to ask, is it?? LOL

    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I meant to say I wish there were a complete CM HIGH SCHOOL curriculum. Sorry. 🙂

    6boys1girl
    Participant

    A question I find myself asking: Do our children really need experience with textbooks? I don’t mean this disrespectfully at all. I find myself using them to provide that experience sometimes or sometimes just to make sure things are easier/quicker to cover. But my children have never had trouble adjusting to textbooks so do they really need the “experience” with them, even if they are going to college? 
    If they have read widely and have intimate relationships with a variety of subjects, won’t they just adjust when they run into things that are different (like textbooks)?

    My first child will be graduating this year. We have used textbooks only for math (almost always) and Chemistry and Physics (in high school only). Everything else has been taught with living books, experience, narrations, and the like. He is planning on going to college. And I can forsee NO trouble for him at all. He teaches himself from computer textbooks with no trouble (the only place he can learn some of what he desires to know). He writes well and has even won some essay and historical fiction writing contests recently. This one surprises me the most as I am not a writer nor do I teach it well and yet he excels.

    I don’t really expect answers. These are just my rambling observations. And my joining in the high school conversation.

    -Rebecca 

    Benita
    Participant

    We are using Teaching Textbooks for upper level math and even that is not dry like traditional textbooks. We are using a textbook as a base for upper level sciences but including more living materials whenever I can. I am having them take math and science tests so they are familiar with test taking as that will be a part of college entrance work. But otherwise, I think we do homeschool in a very CM way for high school and it is working well.

    crazy4boys
    Participant

    Rebecca – I think most of us are thinking of textbooks used in those scenarios. A math text, maybe a science one here or there in the high school years. Or at least that’s what I have in my mind, and what we’ve done and will do. A massive amount of living books and all things Charlotte Mason-y, with a textbook here and there.

    I was researching this a bit last night and SCM did a post back in 2010 or so where they discussed that Charlotte did appear to use textbooks in the upper levels, but very few and of the best quality she could find. Over at Charlotte Mason Help she talked about how Apologia science texts could be considered a living book as they are written by one person who is passionate about the topic (and I am sure other books would fit this category). So some ‘textbooks’ can work in Charlotte Mason setting if you want. Some will choose to use such books, some won’t. But we should avoid the ‘you aren’t CM’ finger pointing if someone does choose to use them. This is not directed at any specific person so please don’t take offense. It is merely a caution as so many times I’ve seen homeschoolers get confused or hurt and start second-guessing themselves when this topic comes up.

    Benita
    Participant

    The poetry, living books, nature study, biographies, Shakespeare, Plutarch, art study, composers, the narrations- oral and written all give such an amazing education to our children. I think there is no textbook that can provide what the CM method provides. It may seem unconventional by modern standards but it is really very well rounded. It produces an educated person and an educated person can be successful in any sphere- college, work place, public sector. I am sold on this method and even though none of my “students” have graduated yet, I feel confident it will provide what they need to be successful. All this to say to readers, be encouraged and stick with it.

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