Bible Question – Rachel maybe??

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  • August 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm
    Heather
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    I borrowed the Complete Jewish Bible from the Library and had to return it after admittedly becoming quite attached.  I want one of my very own, but in researching prices I came across one at CBD that is a Jewish Bible/NIV parellel.  Do you know anything about this one? 

    Also, how helpful is David Stern’s New Testament commentary.  Is it worth the $$.

    Thanks!

    August 27, 2011 at 6:45 pm
    missingtheshire
    Member

    A wise woman on this forum told me that if I want to know about the Jewish faith, and feasts, then I should go to the source, not read a version by someone of a different faith – and you know what she has a point – to really learn about anything, we need to go to the source and really go from there. Cannot help you with anything else, but hopefully Rachel or someone else will point you in the right direction. Blessings, Linda

    August 27, 2011 at 6:55 pm
    missingtheshire
    Member

    I am by the way also interested in the Stern book/s – they are available on Kindle too, so I am curious to hear what anyone has to say. Linda

    August 27, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    Heather
    Participant

    I wouldn’t recommend getting the Stern Complete Jewish Bible on Kindle.  I only say that because as I was studying, I did alot of flipping back and forth through the Bible, glossary, references, etc.  It might have driven me mad had I been using a kindle. Laughing 

    CBD has a better price on these books right now than Amazon, of course I haven’t factored in shipping so Amazon may be cheaper in the end.  I find myself wanting the commentary also to feel like I am getting a fuller picture, but I’m not sure if it is worth the extra money since it is only for the NT.

    Anxiously awaiting Rachel’s opinions!!

    August 27, 2011 at 10:48 pm
    Rachel White
    Participant

    HI Heather!

      I wouldn’t get the CJB/NIV version for two reasons:

    1. the 2011 NIV is a gender-neutral/gender-inclusive version; even going so far as to change Prov. 13:24 from:He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him. to Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. 

    The Hebrew word here is ben (singular), and it means “son,” not “child” and certainly not “children.” The pronoun connected to “son” is masculine singular and means “his” not “their.” (from the CBMW site)

    Other examples here.

    2. they changed the order of the CJB Tanakh (OT) into the order of the NIV OT. The CJB Tanakh is in the canonized order that the Hebrew Scriptures have been in since Y’shua’s time (even some before); by reorganizing them back into the “Christian” version, it distorts the Hebraic continuity of a Complete “Jewish” Bible.

    As for the Commentary? YES! YES! YES! IT IS VERY MUCH WORTH IT! I use it all the time; for myself and in teaching the children.

    BTW, the price at Christianbook is the best price around. We have three copies of it at our home; one for my husband and me and each of my children have one of their own.

    HTH,

    Rachel

     

     

    August 27, 2011 at 11:50 pm
    Heather
    Participant

    Thank you Rachel!!  You are such a blessing to us here on this board.  Thank you for helping me not to waste dh’s hard earned money since I was leaning toward the parallel Bible.

    I wonder if I could ask one more question…  when I had the CJB I was looking up familiar passages and comparing them to what I had learned previously…I was really like a kid with a new toy Wink, but I came across Revelation 21:8.  It included something about drug users which I thought to be odd and couldn’t figure out how where that would have come from.  I’m sure the commentary could shed some light, but since I haven’t gotten it yet, could you please share your thoughts on that verse for me if you don’t mind?

    Thanks again Rachel!

    August 28, 2011 at 12:10 am
    Rachel White
    Participant

    You’re very welcome, Heather and thank you for your kind words. 

    I’m thankful I had a stored memory of having come across (or heard somewhere) that the new NIV would be one of these gender altered versions. So when you asked me and I looked at it and discovered that it was the 2011 version, I began to look it up and it was confirmed to me. Thank G-d He brought that to my memory for you (I’m also going to talk to those in leadership in my Congregation to alert them since it’s tied to the CJB, they will be able to divert people from this particular version). I noticed it’s a different publisher, too; it’s not done by Messianic Jewish Publications either, which publishes the regular CJB.

    I’ll pm you on Rev. 21:8; I don’t want to cause a stir.

    Rachel

    August 28, 2011 at 12:24 am
    Heather
    Participant

    Thank you ma’am!!

    August 28, 2011 at 1:52 am
    Tukata
    Participant

    So I am totally ignorant, but SUPER interested in this conversation!  In the last few months I have learning about the Hebrew roots to our Christian faith and LOVING it.  I’ve read a few books (probably considered “beginner” level).  Can one of you shed some light on what the CJB is?  Is it considered more accurate than our other translations?  If so, why isn’t it more widely used?  I’m not trying to offend anyone – I ask this out of a completely sincere heart.  I’m so interested as learning about the Hebrew context has really blessed my walk with Christ – I just want to be careful too, since this is a new area to me.  I hope that makes sense.

    Thanks!
    Erin

    August 28, 2011 at 4:39 am
    Mum In Zion
    Participant

    The CJB is The Complete Jewish Bible.  You can read it online to see how it differs from other English translations.

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/

    The Commentary is just the New Testament not the whole Bible and is written on a level that the “average” person can understand.  So many commentaries, partiularly ones dealing with the Jewish Roots of our faith, are written by academics for academics.  I know this because my husband helped write a Jewish Roots commentary on Galatians, which is widely used in the academic community here (in Israel) and is a good reference book, but not one I would use regularly with the family.

    Blessings, Michelle

     

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