Homeschooling Boys: LONG

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  • csmamma
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    I’ve been wondering lately if I’ve been teaching my 3 boys in a “girly” manner. Let me explain.

    You know the scripture “A mans glory is in his strength and a womens glory is in her beauty….”? Well, I’ve been thinking about how us women always want to ponder everything and keep it beautiful forever and men seem to want to work with ideas and objects in a more logical hands on way. For them, its not about them making it pretty but about doing something useful and being good stewards.

    Men seem to want to “tend” and us women seem to want to “keep”. Boys seem to want to “do” something with what they’ve learned and we want to scrapbook about it. Men provide and we beautify. Both of these are part of a complete picture.

    I just really want to encourage my boys to be the “MEN” God has called them to be. I don’t want to feminize them in anyway. I want to give them good boyish books to read and powerful strong works of art to study, work to do with their hands, stewardship opportunities, strong and Godly truths to copy, etc.

    I was wondering if you would like to discuss how you, being a women, teach your boys who are MEN in training. Do you ever feel the weight on your shoulders?

    I’ve often wondered why my boys don’t have a joy to just sit and discuss beautiful things, paint beautiful pictures, listen to beautiful lengthy poetry, scrapbook, bake cookies, etc. Is there not a passion for these things because God has created them to be men? Or is it just my boys? I know there are many men out there that have a passion for beauty, artists and poets that are men. But are they those that are just specially gifted for it?

    So with all that said, forgive me for the length. My desire is to homeschool and train my boys to be God Honoring Men who work hard with their hands to provide for their families, strong husbands who cherish their wives and Fathers who train their children to walk in truth and the Fear of the Lord.

    I see that most of the homeschooling materials out there are written and created by women. Charlotte herself was a wonderful women educator. Do you think these things have an effect on homeschooling boys?

    Thanks for letting me share whats on my heart lately. I would love to hear your thoughts on this too.

    Blessings,

    Heather

    Rebekahy
    Participant

    Dear Heather,

    I can’t imagine what you’re going through, but I certainly appreciate the burden you are carrying. As the mother of three girls, I have to admit that I’m afraid that someday the Lord will bless us with a boy and the poor little guy will really be in bad shape with not only a mother teaching him, but three big sisters mothering him too! But I’m not there yet, so the only thing I would suggest is Dr. Dobson’s book Bringing up Boys. Several of my friends with three boys have found this book invaluable in their endeavors to bring up Godly young men. I know Dr. Dobson shares your burden and concern and from what I understand has done a very thorough job in addressing it in his book. HTH!

    Blessings,

    Rebekah

    missceegee
    Participant

    Heather, my son is only 5 and while he loves books and even enjoys helping make cookies or something, he is ALL BOY! My dearest friend has 4 boys and they are different! I think one of the best things is to have your sons spend as much time as possible doing manly things w/ Dad. My son has his own tools and will hammer and saw away on something while his Dad’s in the workshop. He loves sports and being out w/ Dad much more than being w/ Mommy. I try to encourage him to go be a man!

    We enjoyed Bringing Up Boys by Dobson, too. Also – King Me by Steve Farrar.

    Good boy books, audiobooks – Boys of Grit Series by Jim Hodges; Sugar Creek Gang series by Paul Hutchens; R.M. Ballantyne books are good too, I hear.

    Hope this helps,

    Blessings,

    Christie

    amyjane
    Participant

    Heather I would love to have a discussion with you about this. I have 2 boys and I am very committed to raising manly men – my husband calls them tender warriors. Could you be a little more specific about your concerns?

    csmamma
    Participant

    I’m not really sure what my “specific” concerns are. Forgive me if I came across as unclear. I was trying to nurse my wiggling toddler as I was typing. 🙂

    For those of you who have boys “and” girls, how do you see the differences in the two and how do you homeschool your boys differently than your girls?

    How about if you only have boys? Do you think you homeschool your boys differently than you would homeschool girls if you had them? Why or Why not? And how would you do it differently?

    Also, my dh and I came across a message last night by “TruthQuest History’s” author Michelle Miller titled “Hot Rods and Hope Chests” She talks about how boys and girls learn differently. This was an answer to prayer. 🙂

    If anyone is interested you can find it here http://www.truthquesthistory.com/audio/index.php

    Thanks, everyone who’s responded! 🙂

    Heather

    (Who is desiring to raise her boys ages 13, 8 and 18 months to be Manly Warriors for Gods Kingdom)

    Misty
    Participant

    Heather I also have 5 boys and just now have my 1st girl. This question you asked really made me sit back and think. They are home with me all day, am I making sure they are godlymen?

    And I thought about what they do all day and the answer is yes, I think I am. Now do I see area’s that need strenghing yes, but I know they are not sitting down all day doing girly things per say for this conversation.

    My boys LOVE to be outside, and when they are they are climbing trees, cutting branches, building forts or fires, riding our 4 wheelers, or looking for critters. When being outside isn’t possible they are playing with legos, kenx, blocks, trucks and Thomas the train.

    Do they like to color by all means yes if they find something that intersts them like Star wars pictures, do they like to cook, yes, I encourage my boys to cook for someday they will need to be able to cook for themselves and help there wife when need be. Do they like look at pictures for picture study?? Maybe from time to time. Do they enjoy crafts sure if it is something that is outdoors related like leaf designs, maple syruping, etc.

    Those were our in and out door thoughts forme. Now on to the “manly” things. For me I never change batteries they do, I will not open a door to any building if they are will me, to the point I will hold up traffic waiting for them to remember that is there responsibility. They will fix things like when a braker for the eletricity trips I send them to figure out which one and fix it (I mean the worse that can happen is I have to reset some clocks becuase they switched the wrong one). They take the trash to the curb, they was the vehicles, and of course they help dad with anything they can. Just the other day my dh decided to tile behind the sink and there was one outside with him learning how to cut the tile, one inside learning how to figure out where to cut and one helping with clean up in the end.

    Heather, I can almost be sure your hubby is spending time with those boys being boys. And as far as schooling, I guess you could (for this time) look at the schools and say 90% of those teachers are girls and they give those kids little. Youare giving them your all.

    This is what I always say to my boys “Someday if God chooses for you a wife they will love me for the things you know how to do! And your dad will have taught you how to be a man”

    Heather, pray with the Lord and your husband for anything that you need to feel more ok with the situation you are having. I will keep you in my prayers for boys are the kings and the head of the homes (after the Lord) we have very big jobs and God trusted people like me, you and all those people who are in Gods eyes right for raising boys.

    God Bless you Heather

    Misty

    Sorry so long

    Bookworm
    Participant

    Heather, I saw your original message when I first got up this morning, and decided when I had time I was going to get on the forum and tell you about—Michelle Miller’s audio message! Which I am delighted now to see that you already have. I think it is invaluable.

    Here are some thoughts I have. I have only boys. I’m sure I’d do things differently with a girl–I have daydreams sometimes of wildflower watercolors, dainty tea cakes and curling up to read my beloved Betsy and Tacy books with some sweet little girl. 🙂 My real life is full of Scouts, snakes, and lots and lots and lots of dirty laundry. LOL I know what you mean, though, and I do think about this. A lot of people will say that the father really needs to take the boys into his world a lot of the time, that it really is impossible for a woman to truly educate young men and not “damage” them. I hope this isn’t true. My dh’s profession makes taking our sons with him very impractical. Of course he does work hard on spending time with them, and he is heavily involved in their Scouting.

    Some thoughts I have on raising sons, now that I have two teen boys:

    1. Choice is CRUCIAL! My teen sons, my oldest especially, has a very difficult time if I frame parenting/discipline issues as “I am making you do this” He really struggles with this. It is IMPERATIVE that I have my dh’s backup on almost everything, and also that I frame things as a choice for him. “You can choose A, and this is the consequence, or you could choose B, and this is what would happen.” It is our family rules which govern the behavior, and not just me. This is really key, as we both really struggle when I forget this!

    2. Education in our home is full of “And therefore . . .” I think finding out little tidbits of information is intrinsically fascinating. I could do nothing all day but delve into some book, even if I know nothing about what it is and will never need to! My sons, however, increasingly as they get older, need some “big picture” WHY do they need to know/do/understand this? I guard against making everything a “So you can get a good job” reason–the real big picture is so much more than this. Dominion is a key concept, I think, and stewardship. My boys need to know about SO MUCH because of their special place in God’s plan. I often stress that God has given them each an assignment, and it probably includes working somewhere in the world, providing a physical home, providing leadership. The things I present to them, I present as necessary tools for this course of theirs.

    3. We have done more hands-on stuff than CM strictly prescribes. We build things a lot. I try hard not to micromanage when they are making or building some thing that doesn’t seem safe to me. That’s where a male perspective is so crucial–I’ll call my dh. “Honey, is it OK if the boys shoot potatoes from a cannon into the garage? Oh, yes, I forgot about the window. Yes, I have an old mattress they can shoot at instead, thanks.” LOL Then I grin and pray no one gets hurt and try not to squash their enthusiasm. (of course, sometimes boys operate on the “Gee, what’d happen if I did this?” principle, and I’ve had to, um, step in to preserve life and limb. I try not to overreact, though, or make a big deal in front of other people, or generally act like a hysterical woman, lol) I try to enter into their sense of fun and adventure when I can.

    4. Godly men can make such a big difference. I cannot even describe the good effects of my dh first of all, of course, and a few other men at church who have been involved in things my sons have done. Scout leaders have been especially helpful. They have shown my sons things I could not. My oldest right now has a friendship with a Scout leader and has begun on his own initiative to learn piano and French from this man and has learned a lot of goal-setting. They are planning a long bicycle trip this summer. OK, those don’t sound like he-man activities, lol, but I think it is good that my son sees a good man, with a good career, good home life, and thinks “I want to be more like him” and chooses to set goals and follow through because of his example. Another past leader taught my son a lot about building and repairing things–something neither my dh nor I are expert at. 🙂

    If I can think of more I’ll try to add more later, but those were my first thoughts.

    Michelle D

    Kristen
    Participant

    Heather,

    I have two girls and two boys and I sometimes think as the older boy joins the girls in a tea party if this is something I should allow, but yet how can I tell him “No, boys can’t do tea parties.”? We all love the out of doors and spend alot of time in it and they are learning lots, and he spends time with his Dad. (Not enough though). But we are working on that. I think as they get older they should spend more time with Dad.

    I also think that just becasue they are learning foreign language and how to play an instrument or had a tea party with his sisters when he was little, is going to stop him from being “manly”.

    My brother grew up an only boy with six sisters. He wanted to try on dresses when he was little with his siters! And he turned out just fine.

    Just my thoughts . . .

    Kristen

    amyjane
    Participant

    This is good stuff. Thanks Heather for starting this. My husband and I just read (well he is still reading) Wild Things: The art of Nurturing Boys. It is a great resource. It is written by 2 Christian men who between them have 5 boys. They are very practical and straightfoward about helping you understand how boys think, act and react. At the end of every chapter they give specific applications (tips) on how to put things into practice. This has really helped me begin to think a little different about how I engage them as the get older. I am excited for my dh to finish it so we can process it together. Highly recommend it!!!!

    csmamma
    Participant

    Thank you so much, ladies!

    We’re taking this week off of school because it is beautiful here in Michigan – early spring break. Anyway, my two oldest boys are out right now building a nesting box for the rabbits they just bred for 4H. They’ve been outside most of the time this week riding the 4 wheelers, climbing trees in the woods, pulling out old cornstalks from the garden to get it ready to plant, builing a lego castle to seige, etc. They like to be right in Dads shadow as he changes the brakes and oil on the vehicles, fixes the wood stove and the sink – not to mention many other things. 😉

    So, I guess my boys are surely boys but am I giving them what they need in other areas in order to really train them, homeschool them, teach them to be truly Men of God- to His Glory? These are the things I’ve been contemplating lately.

    Are the homeschooling choices I’m making truly for their sake and because I think it would be good for them as individual boys created by God or am I choosing “this” and “that” because I like it and it suits my bent?..yet, I’m a women. I sure hope this all makes sense.

    Maybe the thoughts I’m having are only because I’ve often dreamed of having a girl to just “sit” out in the sun with (instead of climb with 🙂 ), learn how to knit with, search for recipees to bake with, have a tea party with, and do some of that creative memories scrapbooking with. I guess only my husband can help me with that one. 😉 lol However, God designs our lot, right? He must think our three boys are just what we need..for now anyways.

    I can’t thank you enough for listening and sharing. I’m going to take your responses and suggestions to prayer. You are all the best and I truly thank God for each one of you. Feel free to continue to share anyone. I’m lovin’ it!

    Hugs

    Heather

    P.S. Michelle, if those “other” thoughts come to mind that you mentioned, I’m all ears. 😉 You are surely full of wisdom – you’re boys are very blessed!

    richpond
    Participant

    Michelle,

    You are always so full of great wisdom. Thanks for posting.

    Heather,

    I am in the same boat as you are.. I too contemplate the way inwhich I am raising my boys and my girls and want them to grow up to be men and women of Godly character and to reach their fullest potential in the Lord. I think the fact that you are being sensitive to this issue reveals that you are on the right track. I don’t think there is any “right” answer but just being sensitive to their needs. Even with three boys there will be differing needs for each of those boys; different strenghths and weaknesses that we as moms and dads will have to navigate and nurture.

    I am sure you and your DH are doing a great job.

    Shelly 😀

    CindyS
    Participant

    There is so much good stuff here that it is difficult to know where to start! You ladies are such a blessing to me. I would like to comment on our own walk with the Lord in training godly boys to be godly men so that you will be encouraged that you are doing it without even being aware!

    Our boys learn so much about what it means to be a true man of God by how we treat our husbands. Do we honor? Submit? Accept correction? Or, as is so easy (especially in home school families, I think), has our husband become our helpmeet instead of the other way around? What do we do with an off-handed request that our husband makes in the morning? Do the children see it as important?

    Even at a distance, Dad can be leading. He can do that with a list or a phone call to admonish and encourage. As we train our girls to be helpmeets, our boys are learning what it means to lead. In the course of this, they will also hopefully get the message that wives can be gotten in many ways, but a prudent wife is from the Lord. There is a whole picture thing going on here that I think we forget about.

    Another thing that I thought of was the aspect of responsibility. In a Christian home, the saying, “The buck stops here” is crucial for a husband. That is the thing that gives us weaker vessels true rest and freedom. I just used the example this morning for my son of “Did you know that if I cannot keep up with the laundry, it is truly your dad’s responsibility?” Well, that just threw him until I explained leadership. It means that, as the leader, he needs to be attentive to one of the following: Do I need gentle correcting? Do we need a new machine? Are the children being trained properly (which could get back to do I need correcting)?

    We all agree that learning the household stuff (cooking, cleaning, etc) is good training for a boy! The only thing I do not allow my boys to do is fold the girls’ laundry. 😉 They may be called to the mission field (sans a wife); they may have a wife that has a baby and they need to take over; we want to be very popular with our future daughters-in-law 🙂 ; you can go on and on, right? At the very base of it, they will learn to lead by serving. That is was Jesus did.

    I agree that work is so good – mega amounts of work. There is a good book that I do not think was mentioned: Created for Work. Especially as they reach the teen years, they need a lot, a lot, a lot, of physical output. But periodic tea parties are good too because they learn to be gentlemen. If you watch your son ‘doing’ a tea party with your daughters, it’s totally different. With the girls, it’s the process. The boys want to conquer it. Over time, if it gets a little uncomfortable for us moms then we need to see that as the Holy Spirit in us directing us to engage the little fellow otherwise.

    Well, as I read over this, I can tell these are pretty random thoughts and perhaps not ordered very well. I just get too excited about the vision I see in you moms, your desire to raise a godly offspring, and what God can do with hearts yielded to Him!

    Blessings,

    Cindy

    richpond
    Participant

    Cindy,

    Thank you for encouraging words and great wisdom. You are a blessing. 😀

    Shelly

    Richele Baburina
    Participant

    I’ve pondered this since your initial post Heather and have read all the posts with interest as we have two boys, aged six and four.

    Though Charlotte Mason is a female educator, her wisdom does seem especially conducive to raising Godly children. I am continually seeing in my own home how responsible I am for setting the “atmosphere” that our children breathe. Daily I experience what it means to be able to nurture good habits and character in them if I do not yet possess them myself in adulthood. Are the living ideas presented to them anchored by a faith in the living God? Is that faith lived out in our home?

    Cindy shared so many helpful things. We are given such practical advice in God’s word but then need to have the experience to go along with it – science of relations, right?

    Would I educate differently with girls? Most likely things would be different but I see so many differences between my two boys. The foundation will remain the same though and I will continually need to be led by Love.

    csmamma
    Participant

    [“I don’t think there is any “right” answer but just being sensitive to their needs. Even with three boys there will be differing needs for each of those boys; different strenghths and weaknesses that we as moms and dads will have to navigate and nurture.”]

    ~ Shelly, I can’t thank you enough for this simple reminder.

    [“I would like to comment on our own walk with the Lord in training godly boys to be godly men so that you will be encouraged that you are doing it without even being aware!”]

    ~ Cindy, you have comfirmed what the Holy Spirit has been trying to get through to me. I realize that so often I’m caught up in finding the “right” solution that I lose sight of simple and pure devotion to Christ. I guess here is where the “rubber meets the road”. Thank you for your Godly wisdom and encouragment.

    Thanks to all of your responses, I’m reminded of Proverbs 3:5&6

    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.”

    I’m so glad to have had this discussion with all of you!

    Hugs!

    Heather

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