What to do with a stubborn, reluctant boy

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  • ewhitand3
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    My 5 year old son shows absolutely no interest in sight words, reading, writing, any kind of math or, let’s get real, ANY STRUCTURED LEARNING AT ALL. Please Help… He will sit and repeat, but I get the impression he is doing it to humor me. His favorite stock phrase is, “sissy”- his over-achieving 2 years older sister, “will read it to me.” Having an older smarty pants son who went to college at 14 I have no point of reference, nor do I compare, I try not to, the one to the other. When do I start worrying about the youngest, yes, ok, a bit spoiled, son who doesn’t seem to care if he doesn’t EVER read or care for numbers. I will say for him, he loves stories of history and recalls, faster sometimes than sissy, what I read to them. He LOVES to be read to.

    Monica
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    Wait!!
    Five is still so young, esp for a boy.  Spend lots of time outside, play games (even sneak in some fun learning games if he enjoys them), read great books, and just enjoy this time together.

    Although you are ready, he is clearly not.  Don’t force it.  That may turn him off from learning and reading altogether.

    One thing to consider may be Five in a Row or Before Five in a Row – for the books and gentle activities.  Have fun with it.  He’ll get there!

    Tristan
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    Probably not what you want to hear, but then again, maybe you just need to hear it so you’ll give yourself permission:  Don’t do school with a 5 year old!  It’s okay.  They have more than enough years ahead of formal school work.  For now just enjoy being outside, getting dirty, experimenting with things, exploring, reading aloud great books to him, building things, taking things apart, and being a little boy.

    I’ve had some experience, though not as much as some others on here.  We’ve been homeschooling over 10 years now.  I have 5 official ‘school age’ kids (grades 1, 2, 4, 5, 9) and 4 younger children (ages 5 years old today, 3, 2, and newborn).  Of those 9 children 7 are boys, 2 are girls.  None (regardless of gender) have learned at the same time/age or in the same way and at the same pace as any of the others.

    Put away the plans, put away the curricula.  If you want more encouragement feel free to read the ‘preschool’ articles here on the SCM blog.  You can find them all here: http://www.simplycharlottemason.com/blog/category/preschool-2/

     

     

    ewhitand3
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    Thank you so much. I suppose I did need permission. My other 2 are over achievers and love anything remotely resembling “school”. He is totally different and definitely marches at his own drum. To be honest, it’s a miracle he’s here at all so I know he’s spoiled, and the problem comes from him knowing he is too. Thank you so much for letting me sound off and for the good advice.

    caedmyn
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    So what do you do about schooling when you have a 5 YO who is reluctant in general to do anything he doesn’t care to do? My 3rd will be almost 6 when the next school year starts (October birthday). I believe he will be ready then to begin reading instruction, learn to write letters, and do some basic math, but I fully anticipate him balking all the way because he just doesn’t care to do it. He’s often like this in general, in spite of still being required to do chores etc he doesn’t care to do. He’s not much of a book lover either–has about a 5 minute attention span for looking at books himself, maybe a little longer for listening to some read-alouds. His 3 siblings were more interested in books at 2 than he is at 5.

    Tristan
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    A few things come to mind (I have two October birthday boys).  First, do you have reporting requirements in your state for a 5 year old?  Here in Ohio you are not ‘required’ to register and report about a child unless they have turned 6 years old before the end of September. You can CHOOSE to register them when they are 5 as Kindergarteners, but you don’t have to. So for my October birthday boys I didn’t register them until the following year (when they were almost 7 years old to start the year).  That meant that it really didn’t matter when we started doing their learning for age 6, so if they weren’t ready at almost 6 or newly 6 we didn’t start anything.  If they were ready and raring to go we did.  (These two particular children were opposites.  One was not ready at all, didn’t learn to read until age 8, wasn’t ready for sit down work at newly turned 6.  The other taught himself to read at age 3 with no help from me and was reading chapter books at age 3.5.  He would do math his older siblings were doing in his head.  He was beyond ready at age 6.)

    In your instance, with a child who you don’t think will be ready/willing, I would do two things.

    1. Really focus for now on habits of obedience, attention, etc.  Because we know that if he’s already in the habit of obedience it will go a long way toward getting him into the groove of school work.  If he is already in the habit of giving full attention to what he is doing then he will work steadily and the ‘work’ you give him for school when it is time will be done quickly and won’t feel like a hardship (because he won’t drag it out.  Short lessons are such a key with children like this!).

    2. Don’t start next fall.  He’ll be 6 for an entire year, so why not consider starting when he’s 6 and 1/4 (January-ish) or 6 and 1/2 or even the following fall when he’s nearly 7.  He will mature so much in just a 3 month span of time, or 6 months.  You may be surprised and he WILL be ready next fall, because he’s going to be a very different maturity level by then.  But if not, give him more time.

    Okay, I’ll give you a #3 too.  3. Start slow.  Don’t pile on the entire full load of subjects at day one.  What do you think he’ll enjoy most? Start with that one thing and one ‘basic’.  So for my reluctant learner it was science/nature study (enjoy) and handwriting/copywork (basic – which we kept to 5 minutes or less but did daily).  Then after that little bit is going well and becoming a habit or routine in his day add 1 more thing.  And then another.  You get the idea!  So what if it takes 3 months to get all the subjects going?  If you’ve preserved his love of learning and built a solid routine he can go with then you’ve saved yourself months of battles that could have resulted from starting everything at once.

    As always, this is just my opinion…others might do it differently….and that is okay!

    caedmyn
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    We actually don’t have to report here until he’s 7 before the first day of school, but I don’t see DH being willing to put off starting him just because he’s balky. #3 is a good idea though…I will try to remember to do that. We are always working on obedience…idk if it just takes a looong time with boys (just the past couple months started feeling like there’s light at the end of the tunnel with my 1st grader), or if I just stink at it.

    Tristan
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    I think it takes a long time to learn obedience and any habit really.  I know when I look at my own habits that I am still working on personally it makes me realize that if I’m still working on learning things at age 34 then it is no wonder my children are not perfect at a habit as children.  It can take a lifetime to build some of these habits!  I think often people expect more of their children than is reasonable – more than they expect of themselves.  For example, I found myself expecting my children to always be cheerful over work they needed to do (be that homeschool, or chores, or a job) when I know that I am not always cheerful over work I need to do.  Why would I expect a child to be able to do what I have not mastered as an adult?  Once I realized my unreasonable expectations it made a world of difference.  I can accept that my children are still children and they’re not going to be perfect at any habit or attitude, and that it is wrong of me to hold them to a higher standard than I could meet as an adult.

    I guess all of that to say, “Hang in there.  Be consistent in practicing habits but also remember that our children are learning and may take many years to learn well some habits, just like we’re taking many years with learning some well.”

    retrofam
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    Great advice by the others.  I will add that you can require daily subjects such as math and reading,  but give him a list of choices as to how to do it. For example reading,  do you want me to read you a story? or play a phonics game?  As he matures you can add in formal curriculum slowly. Math can be counting,  baking cookies,  etc.

    This has worked well for my dd, who cooperates much better when she has choices, even if they are small.

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