What does the habit of obedience REALLY look like in your house?!

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  • Christine Wood
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    Dear CM Friends,

    I don’t want to even admit how long I’ve been working on the habit of obedience which…I know…I know…if I were consistent I wouldn’t be stuck on this. I’ve read Laying Down the Rails, I know I should be watchful and tactful, I know I should be encouraging with my own words as well as with the example of living books. Why then do I feel like a miserable failure?  Are my expectations to high when I demand prompt and cheerful obedience with a “Yes, Mommy!” or should I just recognize that they are little persons who are grouchy and moody like their Mommy?

     

    I’d love to hear what the habit of obedience looks like at your home and if you actually feel satisfied to move onto another habit!!?

     

    Thank You:-)

     

    Christine

    momto2blessings
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    Well, I’m not as consistent as I should be—-still have some struggles with my 8yo son.  But what I try to be consistent on is having the rule that when I request something they have 2 options: obey immediately or respectfully ask once more for a littler more time, etc. (no whining).  If that doesn’t happen, the consequence is 5 min. off the next days DSi time (that’s what’s valuable to him).  As soon as I say that punishment he jumps up to do what he’s supposed to, knowing it’s another 5 min. off if he doesn’t.  We, of course, remind him regularly of the verses to obey and honor your parents.  We’re not perfect, but his works when I hold to it!  HTH some.  Gina

    amama5
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    We have been blessed to be in a church where the elder’s wives have so much wisdom in training their children and you can see how obedient and happy they are.  They have counseled us from the beginning that obedience isn’t obedience unless it is: right away, the right way, and with a cheerful heart.  The Bible says children should both honor and obey their parents, for this is pleasing to the Lord. (as Gina mentioned)  So if a child is outwardly obeying, but has a bad attitude about it, they aren’t honoring their parents and it isn’t obedience.  So we certainly have our cycles of disobedience, but my children are very good about saying “Yes maam” (or yes mommy) and obeying.  It’s so nice to be out of the home(and at home too:) and not have to argue or have to deal with a bad attitude.  If they have a question or need to say something relevant, we’ve trained them to immediately say “Yes maam, may I ask you a question?” 

    Also, we like positive training, I don’t know how old your kiddos are, but we do a few minutes of the training once a week.  It’s hard to expect them to do what we ask without showing them, so mine sit on the couch and I give “commands”, like to my 7 yr old, go pick up the book, then when he sits down, the next one goes with an age appropriate activity.  To my youngest, it’s go run and touch the frige and sit down again, or pick up that toy, etc.  They say Yes maam, and hurry and do it and come sit back down.  They all actually think it’s fun and it’s a great way to teach the youngest ones by example.  Then they all get a big hug and we read a book together. (and it gets the room clean:)  Hope that made sense? 

    I also find it effective if they don’t come immediately, or if they sit where they are and holler “What mommy?”, to practice coming 5 times.  So they run back to what they were doing, I call again, they say “Coming mommy” and come.  The older they get the more times they have to practice. 

    We all feel/have felt like a failure at times, so be encouraged that you are doing what is pleasing to the Lord in training them in the nurture and admonition of him.  I would also make sure you and your husband are on the same page about exactly what you expect, then apologize to your children for not holding them to that, lay out what is expected and give them a week or so of training.  Then be consistent; it’s usually my fault when they are acting up because I’ve let things slide a few times. 

    Expectations for children are usually too low, not to high.  It doesn’t matter if they are grouchy or moody, we are called to think of others first, and to speak with gentleness and love.  So yes, we need to remember that they are little people with emotions too, but we, as well as our children, are called to glorify God in all we say and do. 

    I also forget to pray for widsom in this area as well, so that would be the best starting point:) Sorry that was so long!  Adrienne

     

    Richele Baburina
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    Christine, just wanted to let you know that SCM is hosting the CM Blog Carnival which is themed “Education is a Discipline.”  It looks like there are a few posts on Obedience.

    All my best,

    Richele

    suzukimom
    Participant

    this is an area where I am struggling too. 

     

    So, for instance, I ask my son to empty the dishwasher (something he is supposed to do), and most likely his response is stomping to the dishwasher, or making some verbal “ohhhh” type whine, etc.  A couple of weeks ago he broke a dish from banging it down hard.  

    So – how am I supposed to handle this?  He isn’t doing it happily, but I have no idea how to make someone do something happily.    In fact, we had immense problems with my step-daughter (now 20 and out of the house) getting her to do things period.  She was basically of the attitude “you can’t make me” – and she was right.  (it didn’t help that my dh wouldn’t do some of the consequences that I suggested….)   

    My kids are pretty good – and we get compliments on how well behaved they are… but sure aren’t good at obeying the first time – and especially happily.

     

    houseofchaos
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    Adrienne says it well with “obedience isn’t obedience unless it is: right away, the right way, and with a cheerful heart”.  We do most of what she suggested also, with respectful Yes, Ma’am or Sirs, positive training, consistency.  I agree that they are little persons, with grouchiness and moodiness, but if indulged instead of corrected, it certainly won’t improve.

     

    LindseyD
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    Obedience is one of those habits we’re always “working on”. My children (5.5 and 7) are wonderfully obedient compared to what they were even six months ago, so I consider that a large success, even though I have small failures from time to time. Our biggest hurdle right now is dd’s dawdling!

    Anyway, if I am met with a bad attitude, I will have my child do the task over and over again until I believe their heart is right. So, suzukimom, your example of your son’s stomping to unload the dishwasher, I would make my child walk to the dishwasher over and over until their attitude is one of respect and cheerfulness. I also explain how bad attitudes don’t only affect them, but the entire home.

    Hebrews 13:17 has been the best verse we’ve found on helping the children understand the WHY behind obedience. According to this verse, there are two reasons: 1.) Because authority figures are responsible for protecting the child and must give an account to God someday, therefore the child must do his part by obeying immediately; and 2.) Because their quick obedience makes my work joyful, rather than burdensome, so it benefits everyone. 

    We’ve always used Eph. 6:1 in the midst of disobedience, but have tacked Heb. 13:17 onto it.

    I will admit that our days certainly aren’t perfect, but they’re much smoother than they used to be. Now, if I could just get dd to stop dawdling!

    Blessings,

    Lindsey

    amama5
    Participant

    Oh the dawdling, it can really get under my skin!  I’ve learned that we have to use timers all day sometimes just to make sure they grasp how long I expect a chore/task to take.  If they still dawdle they lose a privilege, or meal, etc.

    Dear suzukimom, as for making some obey happily, we can’t, only God can change their heart.  So I would start there, comitting to pray over that child in that specific area until you see fruit.  The fruit may be tiny, but it will come if you are patient and CONSISTENT.  I think you really just need to have a starting point, after discussing with your husband, and pick a day and lay out everything to your son/children.  Say something exactly the way you expect them to say it, word for word, correct tone, etc. 

    Another thing we’ve done that is very effective is to make the child take a “nap”.  If you act like a small child, you are treated like one.  (Although this goes for all my kiddos)  I don’t know how old your son is, but two of my children have tendencies towards bad attitudes, and the “naps” have done wonders.  Each time they respond disrespectfully, they have to go lie down on their bed with no books/toys for a certain time.  They can come down and try again after the timer rings, if it happens again, the timer is increased each time.  They don’t like being away from the rest of the family at all and it usually takes a day or two and we don’t have any more problems for quite a while. 

    A great verse for all of us is Galatians 6:9:  And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.

    Press on doing what is right in the sight of the Lord and I believe He will honor those efforts for His name’s sake, to have families that glorify Him and spread His name.  Adrienne

    Christine Wood
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    Thank you so much for your GOOD, practical and encouraging advice. It’s like you came into my kitchen today and spoke into my heart exactly what I needed to hear.

    It dawned on me as I read your posts that the only time I’ve prayed to the LORD about my children’s obedience is when I’m praying with my children as I’m asking them to ask God to help them in this area and I don’t recall praying myself over this issue! Duh!! That’s a good reminder and the best starting point.  More than anything I do pray that these precious people God has given me the privilege of raising, love the LORD and have a desire to do his will, which includes wanting to obey and wanting to honor authority

     

    Looking back it is also encouraging to remember that when I have used these mentioned strategies (timers, time-outs, loss of TV privilege, obedience games and redoing tasks) consistently, my children have made great strides towards obedience. Thank you for the reminders. I needed to hear them again. Because when I’m in the thick of a conflict, reason and all the knowledge accumulated over months of reading CM disappear into some mysterious black hole!

     

    Thank you once again. I know I’ll be returning to this post often when I’m in need of some focus. 

     

    Your sister in Christ,

     

    Christine

     

    I am sooo glad I ended up reading this thread. Thank you for asking the question, and thanks to those who have replied. My older teens were very well behaved when they were young, but their little siblings are not at all that way. It’s been really bothering me (and them), and while I know it’s mostly my fault (lack of consistency and clear expectations), I’ve still felt a bit of a loss at how best to remedy it. It’s just so frustrating! And confusing because my older ones were not at all like this.

    But I also feel like it’s a lack of GRATITUDE that’s the problem, too. Our “first set” of children had so little, comparatively, and were more content. Fewer toys, fewer books, smaller home, fewer choices. But through some purchases, and lots of gifting from others, we have a LOT of stuff. And just all the years of homeschooling — lots of books. I really think that there is a spirit of ingratitude among them which fuels feelings of discontent, which I feel negatively influences the habit of obedience as well.

    Anyone care to comment on that?

    LindseyD
    Participant

    Mysterious Lady,

    I’m going to agree with you on that one. When our children were toddlers, they had so much STUFF! We didn’t really start to get rid of stuff until about two years ago. I notice that they are more content to play happily with one thing for a long time when they have less, and are discontent and constantly complaining of boredom when they have more stuff. We have made it a priority to go through our entire house/garage 3-4 times a year. In fact, dh and I did a major garage cleaning last night. It seems no matter how much stuff I throw out, I can always find more that we don’t need. 

    God has really changed our hearts over the last few years to an attitude of “less is more”. Our children are learning it too, although it can be difficult for them, because we are all innately selfish. I do think selfishness and disobedience go hand-in-hand. And I think contentment contributes to obedience.

    Interesting observation!

    Blessings,

    Lindsey

    Sara B.
    Participant

    Lindsey, are we twins or something?  That’s exactly what we’ve been discovering and doing!  We are having a massive yard sale this spring.  I am still finding more stuff to get rid of!  And the kids are much more content with much fewer toys (even if they are on rotation – and we haven’t rotated them in months).  Funny how that works….  Now if I could just convince the grandparents that less is more……  😉

    Tukata
    Participant

    Lindsey and Sara –

    How do you decide which toys to keep, which to throw?  My dds’ room is almost always a mess, even though we have them pick up several times a day.  We’re realizing they just have too much stuff!  But compared to a lot of their friends, they have little…what toys have you decided to keep? 

    Thanks!
    Erin

    cwillin
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    I know little about posting and noticed this thread is older so I’m not sure if I’m doing this correctly.  However….

    I have really appreciated the comments and suggestions in this thread.  Thay have been useful with my dd7.  In addition, I recently received ‘Laying Down the Rails’ and am looking forward to implementing this wonderful tool for teaching habits.  However, I am greatly perplexed when it comes to our ds21.  (Yes, 21.  We only have the two and it often makes for a fun yet interesting life.  We feel rather blessed because he actually asked/wished for a baby sister constantly as a child.  And, they have a closer relationship than most siblings we know.) 

    Anyway, we were very young parents at the time we were blessed with him and feel we really failed him in so many ways.  He was over-indulged as a child, and although we required certain behaviors, chores, etc. from him, we were inconsistent.  We are now reaping what we sewed!  I would like nothing more than to require from him the same ‘training’ that I am/will be giving my dd.  But… he’s practically a man.  I have to admit I’ve shed man tears over this issue.  If anyone has any suggestions I would embrace them.

    By the way, although I rarely post, SCM has been a great source of information and help during this past year of homeschooling.  I have incorporated scheduling ideas, curriculum suggestions, and more from this site into our program.  I knew the CM method was what I wanted for dd from the first time I read about her teachings.

    Thanks for everything,

    Carol

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