To ‘compete’ or not to ‘compete’…..that is the question!

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  • I recently attended the workshop Sonya presented at the Niche Conference in Iowa titled, “Discipleship is…” One of the topics discussed was scripture memory and the idea of not placing your children in competitive (scripture memory) events. I have given this a great deal of thought. I currently have a daughter enrolled in the BibleBee this fall, but am seriously thinking of now withdrawaling her from the competition. I didn’t enroll her with the intent of winning, but rather to build confidence from the experience. Could you, Sonya, or anyone else please give me your feedback and advice on your thought process behind your reasoning. I value your input. Many thanks.

    missceegee
    Participant

    Hi MommyBird23 –

    I’m not Sonya, but I understand where you are coming from. In fact, I am the host of the Bible Bee here in Jacksonville, FL. I am not opposed in general to competition and love anything to encourage children (and adults) to return to scripture memorization and wanted to be a part of doing that on a city-wide scale.

    I read about the competition aspect from CM after I signed up to host and registered my dd to compete. I understand where CM is coming from, too. I don’t want my kids to cram their heads full of scripture just to win a prize, but I am not opposed to rewarding hard work along the way. I’ve done this for years in my Sunday School classes for memorization – so much work = a prize. The kids are often motivated by the prize in the beginning and always enjoy the prizes, but by the end, they want to learn for the sake of learning and those kids still remember years later. I just taught a group of 3,4 & 5 year olds all the Books of the Bible in 24 weeks of classes and rewarded them with gum or balloons every 5 or 6 books. They all succeeded!

    Well, when the BB study materials were released, we withdrew dd from the competition. It was just too much! I knew she would be discouraged by the amt. of material and I don’t want discouragement and scripture linked in her mind. As a competition, we’ve decided to add the Primary Mini-Bee for the 7-10 year olds that focuses only on category one. My daughter has decided to participate in it as it is much more doable. She would, of course, love a prize, but she’s encouraged to have a goal that is achievable and beneficial to her life before her. I let her make this choice.

    Now, I’m not sure exactly what Miss Mason or Sonya would say, but this is a reasonable compromise for our family. We are learning together, encouraging one another and if there’s a physical reward at the end of it, well that’s just a bonus to hiding God’s word in our hearts as a family.

    Many blessings,

    Christie

    hvfth99
    Member

    I am curious as to the reasoning behind this as well. I am an Awana leader in my church, and, even though there is not actual competition, the children are rewarded for the amount of verses they recite. There is a big focus on knowing what the verses mean and applying them to your life. My kids have done so well in this environment, and they can now quote Scriptures applying to certain situations we come across.

    Faith 🙂

    Rebekahy
    Participant

    I’d love to chime in on this, because ever since my dd learned to speak she’s been memorizing scripture. When I first realized she had such a knack for it, I began to consider what translation of the Bible she should memorize scripture in so she could memorize it correctly for wherever she would one day be competing. Then when I heard about the Bible Bee, I thought – this is PERFECT for her, perhaps I should get the rules now, even though she’s not old enough to compete yet, we could start prepping… Do you see where this is going? My children will likely NEVER compete in any scripture memorization contest because it is a source of pride for ME. I am blessed in that they memorize easily and don’t need any motivation to do it. We simply read each verse a few times a day and after about a week they know it. We occasionally try to recall all the verses we can without any prompts as a bit of a competition amongst ourselves, but that is the extent of it.

    I’m certainly not opposed to activities such as the Bible Bee because while the motivation may not always be well placed, I do believe that the word of God will not come back void, so even prideful parents such as me will have children that ultimately have hidden God’s Word in their heart.

    That’s just my personal testimony on the issue, doesn’t sound like it has any correlation with the three dear ladies that have posted above, but I share in hope that it will encourage others like myself and also in case you ever see a crazed “Bible Bee mom” named Rebekah yelling at her kid from the benches of the National Bible Bee competition you’ll hold me accountable and have me locked up for my own good. 🙂

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    Hi, MommyBird23 (and everybody) –

    As you all mentioned, it is a matter of heart attitude. The three points I “harp on” when it comes to Scripture memory are

    • Please don’t teach your child that Scripture memory is a competition.
    • Please don’t teach your child that Scripture memory is a trick they do for a treat.
    • Please don’t teach your child that Scripture memory is only for kids.

    My main concern with those first two statements is that we should not be fostering within our children a sense of using Scripture memory for selfish reasons. Competition can easily get out of hand and start feeding a sense of I’m-better-than-you. (I find it interesting that nowhere in Scripture have I found competition used for teaching or entertainment purposes. Has anyone else found it in there? I’m curious.)

    And placing an emphasis on treats and prizes can cheapen the value of God’s Word in a child’s mind. As you know, Charlotte discouraged the use of prizes and grades and such because it can place the emphasis on the wrong thing and take away the child’s natural desire for knowledge.

    But please notice my wording on my three points: don’t teach your child that Scripture memory is . . . . When the child thinks that the only use for Scripture memory is to win something, we have erred.

    I haven’t found any verses that say Thou shalt not use competition or prizes in connection with Scripture memory. It’s all a matter of the heart. And I’m so thankful that you ladies are being careful to place an emphasis on the right things.

    the9clarks
    Participant

    This is very thought-provoking! 🙂 Our kids do AWANAs too, it’s been a great motivator for me to prioritize scripture memory with them. But we’ve had three incidents this year when a teacher was signing off on verses my ds never learned. (This is one of my adopted dc’s who apparently got a lot of misdirected sympathy from this particular teacher.) Each time, we told the teacher not to sign off on verses ds had not learned. And after the 1st time, we also told our ds that it was cheating, regardless of whose idea it was. It was a difficult spot to put our 7 yo ds in, to ask him to stand up to an adult who’s telling him he doesn’t really have to do the right thing.

    It was a very frustrating experience to have an adult showing our ds that scripture memory isn’t as important as winning the prizes. Finally, my dh had to confront the teacher and tell him this; that he was modeling cheating and lying for our ds and cheapening scripture memory. It was a real lesson for our ds.

    csmamma
    Participant

    Hmmm…I’m not sure how I missed this a couple of months ago. I asked you all in an ealier post what you thought about scripture memory and competition. Afterwards, I found this other post. Thanks, Sonya, for sharing on this. You’ve really got me thinking.

    So many of our church friends have their dc in bible quizzing and their kids are telling our kids how great it is – the fall season for this is beginning in a couple of weeks and we’re on the edge of our seats, not sure if this would be something good for our kids or harmful. Do any of you see it as harmful in their walk with the Lord? I guess we’ll have to continue to pray about it until God gives us peace to proceed. I’d still love to hear others thoughts on this too. Wink Anyone care to continue to discuss this topic?

    Thanks, Heather

    Cindie2dds
    Member

    I’ve wondered about this also.  “Bible Bee’s” were very popular when I was growing up, and I was never really comfortable with it.  Maybe I’m not so good at the competition thing myself.  Also, I never really wanted to “fail” God.  I kind of felt that way if I didn’t know a scripture, so I never wanted to join in.  I’ll pull up a chair to see what others say….

    Tristan
    Participant

    We’re trying to avoid a large scale competing with scriptures thing at our house.  So no Bible Bee, etc.  We do memorize scripture with our children, often mom and dad work on more/harder selections simultaneously as the children’s selection so they can see us struggle and work too.  It really encourages them to know that while mom may be able to rattle off 6 of their verses easily she did the hard work of learning them as a child and now is working on others that are new to her and take work.  

    We will allow the children to participate in scripture chases occasionally as they grow up – in fun, with no prizes being givven, simply as an afternoon activity with friends.  Imagine the power of a group of children or teens taking turns giving the group a scripture to find and read.  What a blessing such an encounter could be when the focus is working together as a group to search God’s word!

    Lesley Letson
    Participant

    I would tend to agree wholehartedly with Sonya on her principles of teaching Scripture memory. We teach our children to memorize Scripture as well as catechisms. It is hard to emphasize that we are not doing it to see “how many we can do” or to show off to daddy when he comes in or Grammy when she comes over – those are such natural tendencies I guess since memorizing is a task that you do and it feels good to have accomplished it and you want to share. The one thing I try to encourage the kids to do with Scripture they have memorized is to learn how to apply it to our daily life themselves – e.g. if I can think to refrain myself from just spouting out scripture when a situation arises (like conflict with siblings) I will ask them “what does God’s word say about this?” and hopefully they can come up with an appropriate verse, then I may add by saying “that is true, what about ….” I’ll give them the chapter/verse and see if they can remember the words. In this way they are seeing that by hiding God’s word in their heart, it is a useful tool to them in how to deal with everyday life. The way we handle the catechisms is whenever we are reading the Bible and we are discussing it, we might ask them the appropriate catechism question to help them understand the meaning of that passage. Without any type of prize given, their reward is seeing that particular verse help them out – and God’s word is powerful and I have seen even my small children be comforted and encouraged by it.

    csmamma
    Participant

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this sensitive topic.

    May our families come to know God through His Word, thereby loving & serving Him with all our hearts!

    Blessings, Heather

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