Three Cheers for Using Language Well !

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  • Tristan
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    Thank you for the ideas Sonya!

    cedargirl
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    Sonya, I just looked at the samples and am very excited! Well done! My children are going to enjoy the fluid integration of LA and spelling. We are tuckered out of mix and match spelling, grammar, writing instruction.

    But my dear, can you please please, please, just leak one little word as to what might be coming next? I would rather know what NOT to buy yet for next year if you have another wonderful slice of curriculum pie being served up soon. I am thinking many of us will want to scoop up this new coming componenent too.

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    Oh, what a conundrum! I want to help you make decisions about next year’s resources, but I really don’t want to disappoint you if we hit an unexpected snag and end up having to delay things.

    Okay, how about this. The final piece of the large framework is to provide daily lesson plans for all the other subjects. We already have them for history, geography, and Bible; we want to make them available for everything else too. It’s a huge task, as you can imagine. And I can assure you that we will have to start small and add to the line-up over time, as with the other pieces of the framework. But we’re hoping to have at least some available in the weeks ahead.

    There. You pried it out of me. (I think it was the “my dear” that did it!)

    lettucepatchkids
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    this looks like a fabulous resource!!

    So the plan to still recommend to do Analytical Grammar (in 6th, 7th and 8th) alongside Learning Language Well???  Not Jr. Analytical Grammar anymore?

    I’m trying to figure out how (and if) we should switch to LLW and Spelling Wisdom. My dd is going into 5th/6th grade (fall bday, does work on 6th grade level, but is technically going to be in 5th grade.) She reads very well and a LOT.  English and grammar just click for her… we’ve been using AAS but it just seems so dry, phonogram, rules, word list, test… it’s not a challenge for her but she does enjoy finding out WHY words are spelled the way they are. We’ve also used the first half of JAG and again dry but interesting.  She does wonderful oral narrations but not much written, that’s my goal this next year to work on written narrations… I am tempted by IEW thought.  I believe in CM and narration… but am not confident in writing and then get trapped in the “not enough” thinking… love the idea of a bit more hand holding through narration 😉

    Anyhow, if I switched her to LLW and SW (level 2) should I drop the second half of JAG?  Then start in on AG the NEXT year (with the second half of LLW and SW)????? Also in using LLW (future levels) there would not be a need for a specific writing curriculum, correct?

    twas
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    Thanks so much for your quickk reply, Sonya!

    cedargirl
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    If we were neighbours, I would cut you a bouquet of my roses and arrive at your door with chocolate too! Thank you! Exciting things afoot.

     

    Sonya Shafer
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    lettucepatchkids, we will still be recommending AG for in-depth grammar studies with diagramming. Using Language Well, Book 2, is a lighter version that could easily be used alongside or as review during the “off” weeks after finishing AG for that year.

    Since ULW, Book 2, can serve as a gentle introduction to grammar concepts, and JAG also serves as an introduction, I wouldn’t think you need to do both.

    Written narration is introduced about halfway through Book 1 and the rubrics increase from there. If your daughter is a natural at English and grammar, she may be following those rubrics’ guidelines anyway. I would recommend you download the sample of the teacher guide for Book 2 and take a look at that first rubric in that book. It might give you a good benchmark for whether jumping in at that book would be a good fit for her.

    As far as other writing courses go, we plan to continue recommending AG’s Beyond the Book Report 3 for those who want to learn the five-paragraph essay and the research paper formats.

    lnosborn
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    This looks great!  I had already planned on purchasing Spelling Wisdom and something else to add in a little grammar.  So glad I didn’t buy the something else!  I love how simple SCM makes everything.

    missceegee
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    @eawerner – Do note that the first 70 exercises in ULW book 1 are transcription exercises using the Spelling Wisdom book 1 lessons. Dictation exercises begin with L. 71 in ULW.

    missceegee
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    Sonya,

    I am trying to think this through for my ds11. He struggles with spelling, though he is s.l.o.w.l.y. improving. He has written 1 narration per week for the past year and I introduced some science narrations with labeling/diagrams toward the end of last year. His narrations have a decent flow of thought, but several errors with spelling, punctuation, etc. He completed Jr. AG  and Jr. AG Mechanics in 4th grade without difficulty, but doesn’t apply it all consistently yet. We did not cover grammar in 5th.

    For the coming year, he will be using Get Smart Grammar this year in 6th. I’m confident he will grasp the grammar well. This kid is a get-er-done type and he likes a list and knowing just what is expected. I am wondering about backing up to SW book 1, lesson 45 or so and moving forward again. I think we could start with 3-4 days per week as a major focus area for at least term 1 and then drop back to 2-3 a week in term 2. I think 4 days per week would probably be good for him as that daily consistency would help things to stick better as we start up the new year. Starting up with written narration will be a bit of a difficulty, too. Perhaps starting with rubric 1.5 and then moving forward at his pace. I would like to move him to 2 written narrations per week this year. Maybe 1 narrative and 1 expository. What do you think of this plan?

    For dd14 who also struggles with spelling, we will simply keep moving forward with dictation and written narrations, but I’m going to write up a rubric for her to use along with an editing checklist. I like the tracking sheet for my use. It will help me tremendously!

    DD8 is easy, we will start with SW1 and ULW1 and simply be consistent. She is going to be more of a natural speller anyway. Thankfully!

    Thank you so much for the excellent resources you publish and for always answering questions in such a thoughtful manner.

    Warmly,

    Christie

    lettucepatchkids
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    Thank you so much Sonya!!!  I’ve printed out the samples and hope to get some time to really dig into them today or tomorrow… I’m sure I’ll be back with questions :p

    Grammar confuses ME and teaching writing scares me… whenever I just trust in the CM process I always see fabulous (and not stressed) results… yet when I get tempted to try methods that are more formulated and “solid” it always backfires and doesn’t work out well… learning to trust the CM process 🙂  Anyhow this looks like an amazing resource and I’m super excited about it!!!!

    Amanda
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    I am new to CM and have drank the SCM koolaid :p I have purchased Spelling Wisdom 1 for all 4 of my kids, ages 10-13. I had decided since 3 are weak at spelling (youngest 2 dyslexic) and none have experience or successful experience with written narration/prepared dictation, that SW1 would be a great gentle introduction. I know it will be quite simple for my 13yo. However, it is like pulling teeth for any form of written work to be completed by him. So I will stress again, I am wanting to set them all up for success.

     

    We currently own several levels of Rod and Staffs Grammar program and although my oldest boys hate it, I was going to use it as an oral review instead of AG. Simply because we own it. My other 2 have not had a major grammar focus because we have been focusing on reading remediation.

     

     

    So, even if this may be too simple for the normal student, would you still recommend it to students that *I* feel will respond well to the gentle introduction of SW1 or would you seek out a remediated version of grammar curriculum?

    Thanks for any insight you may provide!

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    @Christie, I like your plan overall. Just a couple of thoughts. Book 1 has the student compiling his own list of capitalization and punctuation guidelines as he discovers them throughout the lessons. I don’t know whether your ds would like the guided discovery and compiling his own list, or if that would frustrate him (based on your description). Something to ponder. And I don’t know how many English points he would miss by starting at Lesson 45. So look in the margin for the lightbulb icons; those mark places where the student is working on his own English Points Journal in the back of the book and would be good cues for locating them in the lessons.

    The other thought is that one narrative and one expository per week is a tidy goal; however, sometimes the material might not lend itself to expository. So be flexible. Think of narrative style and expository style as two tools in your written-narration toolbox: use each as it fits best with what was read.

    Hope this helps!

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    @Amanda, I think the guided discovery method is beneficial and effective and isn’t restricted by age. You know your children better than anyone else does, so go with what you think will work best.

    One thing to consider with your 13yo is that it could take 4 years to complete Books 2 and 3 (when it comes out) to cover grammar fully. Will that be too close to graduation age for him? If you think you might need to progress more quickly in his situation, you might want to look into a more concise grammar course.

    missceegee
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    Sonya, thank you for sharing your wisdom. Even after so many years, it’s helpful to talk it out. I think I might simply compile the English Journal points for ds up to wherever we begin. Those early ones, he certainly has knowledge of, even if he isn’t 100% consistent in applying them. Yes, you’re right about the narrative/expository, some things don’t lend well to one or the other. I simply need to make a point of having him practice both. Many thanks!

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