Teens…sigh…can I get an amen?!?

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  • marmiemama
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    Sorry if this is lengthy…I have rewritten this post and deleted it numerous times.  I have been recovering from spinal fusion surgery in early December, so I’ve had lots of time to think and re-evaluate priorities.  My two 15 yo dd’s (1 in 10th, 1 in 9th…4mos apart because one is adopted☺️) are a bit of a challenge in this phase of their lives.  They just never took to a living books education.  My older two and youngest love/d it, but these two either would rather have a checklist of textbooks and/or show no particular interest in any subject.  Has anyone else been able to recapture a love of learning at this age?  We’ve homeschooled them from the beginning, but these two middles never caught the fire.  I don’t want to give up on the hope of some sort of enthusiasm, but I am a bit weary of trying to pull it out of them. I had even sold many of my CM resources because I gave in and did a workbook program this year…which I do regret (of course I can repurchase items again.  Won’t be the last time I’ve done that!). It’s shown no fruit whatsoever;  and they hate it as well.

    I never want to make an idol of a homeschooling method, but a love of learning has always been one of our very first homeschooling goals; nor do I want to compare them to my other children or ignore their learning styles.  Anyone have any ideas to reignite the spark in reluctant teens without falling behind in necessary high school tasks? This would be so easy in a young one, to drop everything, just snuggle and read together, go outside, make nature notebooks, do handicrafts, narrate till our hearts content…a lot more challenging with high school ages. Thanks for any advice and prayers.

    Prayers for healing of my back surgery are greatly appreciated, too!?

    …from a homeschool mom of 17 years who knows enough to admit that I don’t know everything…

    Melanie32
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    My son never really caught the CM bug either. He did fine and graduated over 3 years ago. He is doing well in life and his father and I are very proud of him. He always enjoyed history through real books but that was about it. Classical music and art appreciation? Forget about it!

    It really is okay. I continued to use the CM elements that worked well for him. I didn’t push the ones that didn’t, like-picture study, composer study, formal nature study, etc. He didn’t do Shakespeare or Plutarch but he did read lots of living books for history and lots of great literature for English. He learned how to write well and wrote lots and lots of really good essays and a few short stories. We are both content and pleased with his education.

    My daughter is a completely different story. She loves learning and reads Isaac Asiminov and Poe in her free time. She has taken to CM methods like a duck to water.

    My suggestion would be to ask your girls what they want to do for school. What subjects are they interested in? What can they find in Mason’s methods that they can get behind? My daughter enjoys taking a fairly active role in her education. She will be 15 next month. We discuss what she wants to study and then we work our plans around that in a CM way. Maybe you could have a meeting with them and come up with a plan that all 3 of you can live with.

    You’ve been homeschooling a few more years than I have but I totally get what you mean. I sometimes feel at a loss as well. Homeschooling and parenting during the teen years has been especially difficult at times. It’s also been incredibly rewarding at times. I wouldn’t trade it for the world (on most days ;-)) but it’s not an easy row to hoe!

    Melanie32
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    Praying for a smooth and speedy recovery.

    Ruralmama
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    I agree with what the above poster said about letting them have some input at least find out what they are interested in. If they like to do things on their own assign them the history readings and read along with them. ( they could even use different books from each other or be on different eras if they need to not compare with each other or just be different). Then you can still do narrations but they will be independent. I would have gotten frustrated waiting for my mom to do history or science at that age. As a side, I really liked Apologia (now berian builders) science at that age.

    I have not had teenagers yet. But is wasn’t so long ago that I was a homeschooled teen along with my brother and sister. I loved homeschooling but my brother and sister did not like any school AT ALL. One of them I think was because she compared herself to me and wasn’t as academic. Once she got to college stepped back and actually got math she went on to enjoy and excellent in nursing school. You don’t have someone feeling that they aren’t good at the school thing do you?

    My brother just had a bad disrespectful attitude. Another issue to address if that is it.

    marmiemama
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    To clarify a bit more, the younger of the two is truly a great student.   She just prefers thjngs like Abeka.  She is driven to a fault and wants quizzes and tests to have a tangible ruler of success.  I have come to respect that this is her learning style and  am just trying to increase literature discussions and writing help to feel that she gets those aspects.

    I am more concerned with my 10th grader.  Yes, there are attitude issues.  We’ve had many talks about what subject, topic, learning style may be inspiring and I get very little feedback. She is not an academic kid so I want to tread carefully to keep her self esteem from declining. Not sure if college is even in her future but I want her to be prepared to work hard.  I can’t make her want to do that; I just wish I could find a way to help her want to learn, even if it’s very hard for her.  She’s uninspired with discussing great literature, and things don’t stick and are grueling with textbooks.  Just praying for a spark to appear somewhere so I can help her shine.

    Thanks for the kind words.  It’s hard to discuss this. It just breaks my heart to feel like I’m not getting through.  Not to make her what I want her to be, but to help her discover what inspires her to be what God has planned for her.

    Cathrina
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    Only a suggestion…. because I have no answers here….but I know that teens can get “burn out” just like moms… not saying at all that’s what’s happening but just a mommy recall from years gone by   Lol

    at 15 they likely know how to write a response to literature. Why not let them choose ANY book and read and write …. that’s it. For a couple months Just read and write.  (Well you can’t escape Math but you get the idea).  Drop all subjects except for their love of each new Book.    Their only assignment…. express in writing something from your experience of reading that book.   ????

    Praying for you.  For full restoration of your back and a remedy for school.   :0)

    marmiemama
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    Thanks, Cathrina for the prayers!

    Praise!…I just asked her what she thought about dropping the Lifepacs history and adding in another book from the time period she’s in (she’s reading Anne Frank), and focusing on that and writing and she seemed agreeable!  I’m kinda surprised because she has said in the past that she didn’t like changing curriculum mid year; also, two days ago, I had given her a simple narration assignment for Anne Frank and she had a very difficult time doing it.   This is great though…if she wants to write, read and discuss more.  Plus…she told me she actually enjoys chemistry using the Chemistry 101 DVD. Doing the happy dance here!

    Melanie32
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    Yay! Praising the Lord with you for small victories!

    I just wanted to share what I have been doing with my daughter for history in case it might help. We are doing two streams of history: world and U.S. I simply have my daughter pick a living book from each stream and we alternate them. She is just finishing up a biography on Abraham Lincoln and a history of China. She will be starting a bio on General Grant next week, which she will alternate with a book on the history of Russia. We are both super happy with this plan and things are going very well. She’s had enough history to understand chronology without having to study everything in chronological order and this frees her up to follow her interests a bit more. Right now, it’s studying specific foreign countries and the American Civil War.

    She is doing Apologia Biology 4 days a week but on the 5th day I let her choose and she chose marine biology. So on that day, she watches a short video on the topic, studies 2 species and draws one in her science notebook, adding in labels and a few interesting facts. She really enjoys this and it helps make biology more interesting for her.

    I also allowed her to choose her foreign language. She chose Japanese and we found a wonderful program online that she is loving. Since she chose the language, she is invested in really learning it.

    It sounds like you’ve already been having these kinds of talks with your daughter and are giving her ample choices. I just wanted to share what my daughter is doing in case it gives you any ideas or just encourages you and your daughter as you seek to provide her with a custom education for her unique gifts and personality.

     

    marmiemama
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    Melanie, what online source do you use for foreign language?

    missceegee
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    Prayers for a full recovery!

    I have 4 kids – dd16, ds13, dd9, ds7.  My ds13 is not what I would call academically inclined.  He has a good attitude, does his work, but nothing sparked him for the longest time.  This year, I’m seeing a bit of a spark with graphic design and computer building. We will see where it goes.  Some things that I’ve done for him – drop dictation and CM style grammar. He greatly prefers and does very well with Phonetic Zoo for spelling. We did Get Smart Grammar and he did great with in.  He prefers a straight forward approach to many things. I bought ALL  of his literature books for kindle with whisper sync audio.  Reading isn’t his favorite or easiest, but he is really enjoying the books this way. We utilize online classes.  This year that has been an OT and NT Survey class, GIMP graphic design class, and raspberry pi computer class.  Outside accountability for some things helps him.

    For all of my kids, I made a narration notes folder that includes lists of ways to narrate along with examples.  They refer to it when I give them a narration of choice or a specific one, like a creative narration.  It’s a good reference and they like some freedom of house.

    I hope that the ideas shared on this spread help spark an idea that is useful to you.

    Warmly, Christie

    coralloyd
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    Out of my four, my second oldest is similar. I have come to view  “a love of learning” differently because of her. For a long time I thought her love for learning was snuffed out for good. Yes, she is not big on academics, and goes through school as quickly as possible just to get it done. If all of us want to watch a documentary, she will go in the other room. However, she is amazing at virtually anything she puts her hand/self to- drawing, painting, guitar, crafting, crocheting, sports. She is a hands on learner. She will spend hours drawing, listening to music, or doing some detailed work on something. Yes she may never pick up a biography to read for enjoyment, but she does love learning. Most of it is just done with her hands. I don’t know if your dds are like my dd, but I want to encourage you take a broader look you might just see that “love of learning”.  I know that as a homeschool mom it is hard to sometimes see past the academics that we are neck high deep in everyday, not to mention teenage attitudes ;).

    Melanie32
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    Marmie-We use Irasshai. It is a free Japanese course offered online from Georgia Public Broadcasting. Each day my daughter watches a video on their website and completes the worksheet printout as well. She is learning so much!

    There are components you can buy to make the course more complete and their addition makes it a 3 year course. I wanted to see how well it would work and if my daughter would like it and stick with it before investing in the complete course so we started with the free components. She loves it and is doing so well that I have decided to purchase the additional resources. It will cost me about $70 for the first set and then $50 or so for the next one but we won’t get to the second set for at least a year. I think $120 for 3 years of foreign language is a wonderful price! The course also includes studying Japanese culture which is a wonderful benefit that my daughter enjoys.

    We have been so happy with this curriculum and so thankful that the basic components are available at not cost. I first heard about it on the Well Trained Mind forum.

    jen fletcher
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    Grateful for this post.  It’s always good to know that there are other kiddos out there who simply want to “get through” school….hoping ours is simply age-related and something that may pass.

    Melanie32, may I please ask for your email address?  Your two sound so, SO similar to my oldest two and I would love to pick your brain a bit as someone who has finished the course with your oldest.  (I understand if you’d prefer not to share it.)  Thank you!

    Melanie32
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    Jen-my email address is melaniearudd@gmail.com.

    Email me any time!

    marmiemama
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    Thank you all for your sweet replies.  Sometimes you can’t see solutions that are right in front of you.  Coralloyd, you reminded me of some wonderful abilities she has…firstly, an absolutely amazing vocal talent.  She gives me and my husband chills when she sings. She’s also very DIY…she loves going on Pinterest and finding cool ways to decorate her room or make scrolled paper ornaments out of a falling apart hymnal we had.  And she loves to draw. I’m going to get her a brand new sketchbook to perhaps inspire her to incorporate drawing again into her schoolwork.  Seems like the older they got, the less they did of fun stuff…and my girls did it all, every single handcraft.  By somewhere along the way the higher grades became about the required courses in case they go to college. She’s happy I pulled the Lifepacs.  It was world history, so I decided to focus the rest of the year on living books for the world wars.  And I ordered IEW’s Intensive Level C to give some structure and guidance to her writing.
    Thanks, everyone, for sharing your hearts with me on this tough topic.

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