Struggling With Module 2 History

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  • Kris
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    I could use some input.  We have been trying to use Module 2 for almost 3 months (though we’re only on lesson 25).  I am ready to throw in the towel now.  My kids (8 and 10) do not like A Child’s Geography at all; they tolerate me reading The Golden Fleece to them; and Famous Men of Greece is hit or miss.  The only thing left is the Bible readings.  At this point, they don’t see a connection to any of the lessons, and I feel like a failure.

    That being said, we need to move on to something.  Has anyone else struggled with the modules and found something else you liked for history mostly?  We were excited to learn about the Ancients this year.  Maybe we could skip ahead through the mythology. 

    Any advice?

    Heather
    Participant

    We felt the same as you with Module 2 with exactly the same points you’ve made.  I love SCM materials but I had to scrap it.  I am using a history spine, reading it chapter by chapter and stopping to expound with library books as they are available and as my children have interest.  We are doing much better with that approach.  I think it just depends on the family as to what works, and if it is not working try something else!  Don’t beat yourself up.  You’re not a failure!!  It’s simply not a good fit and that does happen from time to time no matter how high our hopes are for certain materials.  Hope this helps!!

    sheraz
    Participant

    There are at least 5 other spines, and you can try adding in books from

    Heritage History here: http://www.heritage-history.com/www/heritage.php?Dir=civ&MenuItem=greek   LOVING this site!

    Yesterday’s Classics has tons of Ancient Greece books – excited to use these: 

    http://www.yesterdaysclassics.com/catalog/displaycatalog.php?catalog=greece

    myaudioschool.com has several books on audio: http://www.myaudioschool.com/?cat=12

    If you look at the titles in these links, lots of them are free online readable, Kindle or epub downloads, or free somewhere on the web.  Lots of them are available free as audio books on librivox.org.

    Often National Geographic has videos you can watch online – as does Drive through History.  Here is (hopefully) the link to the Ancient Greece video done by DTH: http://www.itbn.org/index/detail/lib/Networks/sublib/TBN/ec/o5NWNzMjqDyzhFD6E6hku6rUpSLDhwfb

    There are tons of educational things online as well:

    http://www.ancient-greece.org/

    http://www.ancientgreece.co.uk/

    Barb at Harmony Fine Arts has put together a study for ancient cultures, including links, coloring pages, etc – 

    http://harmonyartmom.blogspot.com/2009/08/harmony-fine-arts-new-plans-ancient-art.html  there is a ton of stuff there.

    My dd is struggling with the many false gods.  I wondered if this is another way to present the myths in what seems to be less objectionable (to my brief glances, since I haven’t gone through it completely):

    http://www.amazon.com/DAulaires-Greek-Myths-Ingri-dAulaire/dp/0440406943/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351198250&sr=8-1&keywords=d%27aulaires%27+book+of+greek+myths  

    with the teacher companion guide:

    http://www.amazon.com/DAulaires-Greek-Myths-Teacher-Guide/dp/1930953844/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1351198307&sr=8-7&keywords=d%27aulaires%27+book+of+greek+myths

    Sometimes these do a lot to help get the points across in very non-threatening ways:

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_19?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=ancient+greece+coloring+book&sprefix=ancient+greece+colo%2Cstripbooks%2C255

    I haven’t used all of these, but they are some things I have that I am looking to add or substitute in our studies.  HTH  – but as always preview since I cannot promise what the statues/art look like in the pictures. Wink

    LindseyD
    Participant

    To be honest, we felt the same way. The Bible readings and geography were great for us, but none of us enjoyed Famous Men of Greece or Voskamp’s Child’s Geography of the Holy Land. About halfway through, I scrapped Voskamp’s book and we focused solely on map drill of the Middle East and then moved to Asia for the second half of the year. Every so often we read out of Hungry Planet or Material World, if a country we were naming on the map was included in either of those books. I forced us to get all the way through Famous Men, but it wasn’t easy. I just didn’t know what else to use. Until this year…

    Now in Module 3, I have replaced Greenleaf’s Famous Men of Rome with H.A. Guerber’s The Story of the Romans. She also has a volume entitled The Story of the Greeks, which I believe is what the Shearers used to publish Famous Men of Greece/Famous Men of Rome. We are enjoying this spine so much more, although I have had to alter the lessons as I go because there are many more chapters in Guerber’s book versus Greenleaf’s. However, the chapters are shorter and better written, so it’s fine for us to read 2-3 chapters a day, if that helps us fit within SCM’s Module lesson plans.

    I wonder if the SCM Team is planning on revising Modules 2 and 3 in the future because you’re not the first person to complain about the Famous Men books. Many of us have exchanged PMs and have started forum threads along the same lines as you have today. Don’t feel badly about it! You’re not a failure. What works with the kids of the SCM Team doesn’t work for all of us, and that’s ok. That’s why Charlotte (and Sonya) tell us to teach the child, not the curriculum.

    Blessings,

    Lindsey

    Personally I felt the same way about some of the materials, BUT it’s mainly because of the time period that I didn’t like. I just don’t enjoy mythology or anything related. I really didn’t feel comfortable with my young kids focusing too much on it either, but everyone is different. My older son read through Golden Fleece with me and I supplemented other materials for young ones. The SCM guide is great for the bible readings and I really focused on that for the whole family! They learned so much!

    For supplementing other books, I have a wonderful reference book called All Through The Ages which lists books by time periods and children’s ages.

    HTH!

    sheraz
    Participant

    Several of the Heritage History and Yesterday’s Classics are in All Through the Ages.  I love that book and forgot to mention it!  I also checked out books and videos of the countries studied in A Child’s Geography, vol. 2.

    I do have to say that we are enjoying the Bible section very much.  I love how much we learn and retain out of the readings. =)

    suzukimom
    Participant

    We had trouble with module 2 as well….

    AngieG
    Participant

    We did Mod. 1 last year- and I thought it was great (Ancient Egypt). This year, we are using Mod. 2 and we are NOT loving it either!!  I was just wondering what other families thought of it.  I find it strange that we are studying Greek mythology and the geography of Israel and Middle East.  Shouldn’t we know something about the geography of the place we are studying??  Mod. 1 had us study Ancient Egypt and the geography of Egypt and Africa- makes sense!  While we don’t really like that there is so much focus on mythology, I am glad that my 11 year olds (triplets) are touching upon stories that they will eventually hear references to (Pandora’s box, the “Golden Touch”, Hercules, Medusa).  We have been able to discuss how these false gods counterfeit the truth we find in Scripture!  The Wonder Book has been ok for us- interesting enough to read through.  The Famous Men book drags terribly and doesn’t seem to make much sense from one sentence to the next.  Then, I have to echo what everyone else has said about Voskamp’s book- not a hit here either!  I did notice some extra reading suggestions in each chapter of Voskamp’s book that do sound interesting. I think we will try searching those out to supplement and/or replace some of the books we are currently using.

    andream
    Participant

    Wow! I’ve got to say I’m getting a little nervous. I was planning to do Module 2 next year for our will be second grader and kindergartner. We’re doing Module 1 this year and are loving it with some tweaking we’ve done.

    Anyone else have any specific books that would recommend using instead of the ones listed in Module 2?

    Any other activity suggestions for young children?

    Ahhhhh!

    LindseyD
    Participant

    AngieG, I agree about the writing of Famous Men. It seemed choppy, hard to read, and scattered. I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt that way. I don’t worry too much about the mythology. Mythology is just as much a part of the Greeks’ history as Allah is part of Middle Eastern history and God is part of American history. I don’t think you can really know about a place without studying their belief systems. In our family, like yours, we just discuss it from a Biblical worldview. I’m definitely not concerned that my children are going to forsake their belief in Jesus for Athena!

    Sonya, I hope you or the Team don’t feel we are criticizing your resource choices. It amazes me how a book that worked so well with your own children seems to be a downright failure for the rest of us! I wonder though, have you all noticed the lack of interest in Famous Men of Greece/Rome? And, if so, are you planning to make any revisions to the modules in the future to reflect or suggest some alternative resources? Just checking. Wink

    Blessings,

    Lindsey

    ETA: @andream, as mentioned above, we have found Guerber’s The Story of the Romans to be a much better resource for our family. I have not personally read Greenleaf’s Famous Men of Rome, but Famous Men of Greece (recommended for Mod. 2) was not enjoyable. Perhaps you could try Guerber’s The Story of the Greeks as a replacement? It’s really not hard to modify the readings to fit in with SCM’s lesson plans. As for the recommended Voskamp book, we just simply chose not to read it about halfway through our year. None of us enjoyed it, and I felt that map drills and reading here and there out of Material World and Hungry Planet was sufficient. My children, however, were young–6 and 7–so when we repeat Module 2 in five years, I’m not sure what we’ll use. I’ve got five years to think about it though!

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    It’s very helpful to hear your thoughts, and as a matter of fact, I am working on some revisions now. So it’s great timing to give us your feedback. I just ordered Story of the Greeks and Story of the Romans to take a look at them. 

    I haven’t been able to find a good replacement for A Child’s Geography that focuses on the Holy Land and the Middle East yet. Have any of you found something you love?

    As you mentioned, just because something worked well with our children doesn’t mean it will be a great fit for y’all. I’m so glad you feel free to tweak as needed as you go along! And if it turns out that what worked for us was the exception rather than the rule, it’s not chiseled in stone. So by all means, let us hear your thoughts.

    Kris
    Member

    Thank you all for speaking up.  It is a huge comfort to know that others struggled with these resources. 

    Angie G -yes!  That’s it.  Not only did my kids not enjoy Voskamp’s study, but it didn’t make sense for us to go back and forth from the Middle East to Ancient Greece. 

    I am going to look at some of the other books you all mentioned.  I feel an urgency to stay on some kind of course this year.  Thanks again.

    And thank you Sonya for “listening” to us in such a positive way.  You are a real blessing here.

    We are doing Mod.2 this year as well. We’re enjoying it with our own tweeks. We do not use the Voskamp’s book. Never did. We add in My Little Athenian Cousin, My Little Spartan Cousin (both Yesterday’s Classics), and I just ordered a book from Sonlight Core G called Theras and His Town, about an Athenian boy who is taken captive and is taken to live in Sparta after his parents are killed in a war. It sounded really good from the description. I’m excited to add it! We also added a DVD: Drive Thru History Ancient Greece. Very good.

    Best wishes,

    Jen

    andream
    Participant

    Can those of you who did not enjoy the Ann Voskamp geography book explain what you didn’t like about it? Was it her writing style? I know I’ve read one of her books and sometimes the language was a bit flowery and difficult to get through for me.

    Thanks for the book title suggestions. My library doesn’t carry any of them, but I will keep my eyes open for them at the used book store. Tough to take a risk to buy a book when you aren’t sure if you’ll like it.

    Or if you have a Kindle the Yesterday’s Classics books are inexpensive.

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