Smudging on Unabridged

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  • Cindy
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    I am new to CM and struggling a little with the emphasis on unabridged versions of texts. My children are 8, 8 & 6 (and 1 :)) and some of the books I see suggested seem like they might be over their heads or the language too archaic (I’m thinking of some versions of Aesop’s Fables where they might get distracted with the word “ass” (and sliding it into their own vocabulary) instead of just moving on with the point of the fable).  We adored reading Classic Pooh and even though the language was different, it was beautiful and I can see why it’s so much better than the Disney version. All this being said, I do want them to rise to the occasion, so to speak, and I hate to dilute content if it truly is richer and worthwhile. Does anyone have experience with this? Are there some texts you recommend diluting and some that must be read unabridged? How to you judge? Thanks!

    Karen
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    I recommend just jumping in with a book and its unabridged form.  You can always edit it as you read aloud.  Or stop it altogether and find an abridged version if you want to.

    For the word ass, or similar words, I think if you explain it and when to use that word to your children, they won’t find it so funny.  And if a child insists on using it, you can just handle it as you see fit.  I’ve found that the smaller deal I make of words like that, the less likely my girls are to abuse those words.

    For something like Pilgrim’s Progress, it  might go easier if  they already know the storyline.  So perhaps listening to the Adventures in Odyssey version woukd be a good start.

    Even for myself, I have found that I can listen to works that I couldn’t read.  For example, Pride and Prejudice.  No way could I ever make it through that book!  But when I listened to it, I found myself doing extra cleaning and going out of my way to listen to it.

    In short, I suggest you try it and then adapt accordingly.

    Melanie32
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    Hi Cindy! Welcome. 🙂

    The biggest problem with abridged versions of great books is that they are usually not very well done. I just edit out any objectionable content as I go along. The originals are so well written and we miss out on a lot when we go with an abridged version.

    Also, a living book is a book written in literary language by an author passionate about his/her subject. People who are paid to abridge books don’t often fit that description. They are dumbing the books down and trying to make them easy enough for children to understand. Charlotte Mason said that the child is a person and we should respect their personhood by giving them real books, not books that talk down to them as if they are lesser beings.

    The unabridged classics really are worth it. You’ll be amazed at the vocabulary your kids will develop and how much they will be able to understand and enjoy the classics once they get a bit more used to them. 🙂

    I pray your family is blessed as you begin applying Charlotte’s methods! They have so enriched our family over the years.

    missceegee
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    If the language is too advanced, wait on that book. The original is simply too good to miss 99.9% of the time. The couple of abridgements we’ve enjoyed – Dangerous Journey for Pilgrim’s Progress as early as 4 years. And Little Pilgrim’s Progress for self reading around 8-10 years. That said, we’ve read the original aloud at young ages, too. There’s one other we liked, but the name escapes me. We have enjoyed some audio dramatization a that have been abridged, but even so, we prefer the originals! overwhelmingly, I’d vote for the original  books. Little kids love classic and/or well-written literature!

    Don’t underestimate your kids. My ds5 listened to The Hobbit as well as Narnia stories with rapt attention when he was barely 3. The same had been true for all 4 of my kids (dd14, ds11, dd8, plus the ds5).

    We’ve read Aesop cover to cover multiple times. A simple, “ass is another name for a donkey” is all it ever took.

    When kids are accustomed to the easy watered down stuff, they can come to view the original as simply too difficult. But there is such pleasure in good books. Once the appetite is formed, no disneyfied or other adulterated version will do!

    Compare The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Anderson and Disney.

    Original

    FAR out in the ocean, where the water is as blue as the prettiest cornflower, and as clear as crystal, it is very, very deep; so deep, indeed, that no cable could fathom it: many church steeples, piled one upon another, would not reach from the ground beneath to the surface of the water above. There dwell the Sea King and his subjects. We must not imagine that there is nothing at the bottom of the sea but bare yellow sand. No, indeed; the most singular flowers and plants grow there; the leaves and stems of which are so pliant, that the slightest agitation of the water causes them to stir as if they had life. Fishes, both large and small, glide between the branches, as birds fly among the trees here upon land. In the deepest spot of all, stands the castle of the Sea King. Its walls are built of coral, and the long, gothic windows are of the clearest amber. The roof is formed of shells, that open and close as the water flows over them. Their appearance is very beautiful, for in each lies a glittering pearl, which would be fit for the diadem of a queen.

    Disney

    Deep beneath the sea lived a little mermaid named Ariel. She loved exploring her underwater home with her friend flounder but dreamed of living on land as a human. Ariel was always searching for human treasures. Ariel was always searching for human treasures. When she and Flounder found a strange forked object, they swam to the surface to find Scuttle the seagull.
    “It’s a dinglehopper!” he proclaimed. Ariel’s father was King Triton, ruler of the sea. He thought humans were dangerous.

    ———–

    No comparison. ☺️

    missceegee
    Participant

    Please excuse formatting errors and typos.  I’m using my phone.

    Phobo
    Participant

    Christie, brilliant example! I think you’ll find, Cindy, once you get going with unabridged versions your kids will take to each on better than the last.

    I think this goes further than just books though. (I’m going to make a general comment here, not a specific commentary on anything you may or may not be doing, Cindy.) I have friends that say similar things to me about the unabridged versions just being too difficult for their children, and that they don’t have an interest. In these circumstances, I see that their kids watch many shows and movies with dumbed down content. Their toys are cheap battery things made to hold the attention non stop of a mindless child. The music they listen to is gimmicky, etc, etc. This is where “education is an atmosphere” comes into play. I find that if you surround your children with rich, beautiful things, they will acquire a taste for such things. The rubbish of “twaddle” will no longer be appealing to them – they will see it for what it’s worth (okay, not 100% of the time, lol!).

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    I think a key to enjoying unabridged versions is to take. your. time.

    There is a lot to savor in the originals. Don’t be in a hurry. Read slowly with expression.

    I also second the idea of not being afraid to wait until the children are older if you think they will enjoy it more at that time.

    Take your time and enjoy the books thoroughly; don’t rush through them. They will become dear friends.

    eawerner
    Participant

    Don’t underestimate your kids!  Perhaps popular culture and our own paltry education says our kids can’t enjoy these wonderful books.  Not true!  At least give your kids the chance to rise to the occasion.  You’ll never know what they are truly capable of if you don’t give it a try.

    Having said that… I second Sonya’s recommendation to slow down.

    1. Read aloud slower than you think you need to.  Slow enough that they can form a picture of the story in their mind and keep up with it.

    2. Read the book as a whole slower than you think you need to.  A chapter or two a week is enough! Let your kids get to know the characters and live with them through the whole story.

    3. Plough through your list of must read classics slowly. There are plenty of less overwhelming choices to start out with. Build up their (and your!) stamina little by little. You have so many years on this journey, you don’t need to read every book this year, or next year, or even the next year.

    Happy reading!

    Melissa Wolfe
    Participant

    I third (or fourth? 🙂 ) the idea of waiting on a book if you find they’re just not ready for it. There are so many good books at all levels to enjoy! I read The Secret Garden to my boys a couple of years ago. We got through it, but just barely. Even with the lovely illustrations by Inga Moore. 🙂 But just recently I read it to them again, and wow, what a difference! They were sneaking peeks further ahead to see what would happen next, and imploring me to read “one more chapter.” It doesn’t really matter what the age recommendations are; know your children — find out by trial. You will find wonderful living books for wherever your children are at. And sometimes it may not be an issue of comprehension, but of context. Is this a book they can relate to at this point in their lives? You can try to especially seek out books that have some point of interest or experience that your children can identify with.

     

    There are some great places to find ideas for good books to try (including the SCM booklists, such as in the curriculum planner); hands-down my favorite is Read for the Heart by Sarah Clarkson. In addition to her excellent book recommendations (with descriptions, rough age recommendation [for independent reading level], and noting if there are any elements a parent might want to be aware of), she also makes a case for reading good books together, and inspires me with a vision for building a family culture of our own as she draws from stories of her growing up years. She gives many practical ideas for how to ease into this — such as letting children do something quietly with their hands as they listen, perhaps keeping a special basket just for reading times with things they can do (drawing, clay, legos, etc.)…Ideas of how to whet appetites for reading, how to nurture attention spans, how to cultivate reading times which are a delight for all.

    Happy reading!
    Melissa 🙂

    Cindy
    Participant

    wow.  okay, i should divulge here now that I’m a writer…lol!  I know BETTER!!!!  Of course the unabridged are far superior. Thank you so much for all of the wonderful comments – I do underestimate my children and how right about feeding their appetites. There’s a reason Spongebob was never allowed in our home – people would ask and I would say it was the language, but really I can see now before I even knew the word – it’s because it’s absolute twaddle!  Thank you, thank you, all for the refreshing reminder 🙂

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