Math dilemma

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  • Rebekah
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    Math has been an area I’ve struggled with for the last four years. History: When my oldest was 6 I started him in MUS alpha, the videos and blocks were great, but the pages and pages of problems were not. My son hated writing. Hindsight being what it is, I see now that I could have just kept scribing for him, but with a baby underfoot it just didn’t seem to be working for us. The next year my DD started school too, she was five. I tried right start A with her, she mostly liked it, but it drove me crazy. Doing 2 minutes of tis, then 2 minutes of that, etc. it jumped around so much and I never knew what we were doing or why or where it was headed. Even she disliked the jumping around. I didn’t know what to do with my oldest that year, I did some of RS a with him just to fill time. I found MEP and began using year 1 with him. That went pretty well, though we did not finish it by the end of the school year. The following year I did not want to do Rs again, I used MEP with both kids. I started year 2 with DS and year 1 with DD. Wow was year 2 a step up in intensity. It became so teacher intensive and every lesson took us 45 minutes.   To keep it short we’d have to do just half a lesson, and I didn’t want to spend two years for every year of math. I had my fourth baby in the middle of the school year, and I just could not see keeping up MEP with four kids. Even the worksheet portion was not independent. Because I was spending so much time on math with DS, I often skipped doing math with dd. Which isn’t a big deal at 6yo, but it couldn’t keep on that way. In the spring I switched my oldest to Singapore standards. This school year, he’s continued with it and I switched dd to it too. I used Franklin primary arithmetic, a vintage book, to slow down and flesh out the early lessons for her. Working on subetizing, etc. it’s going pretty well now that I’ve figured how to do the ‘Singapore shuffle’. Lol. I’m using strayer upton orally for a few minutes each day to add review for my oldest, rather than the Singapore mental math and flash cards.

     

    now that I’ve found SCM, I see the math suggestion is right start math followed by MUS. Looking back, I can see that this would have worked well with my oldest. And dd too. Also that RS has come out with a second edition that probably fixes most of my problems with it. Even though MUS didn’t work for my son at 6yo, I think it’s a good program and will probably go back to it for algebra. Since I’m finding SCM to be a good fit overall, I’m torn about whether to try their math recommendations. With my oldest, no he needs to stay with what’s working for him now, it’s too late in the game for him to switch to RS. For my dd, idk… She’s doing good with Singapore 1 right now. I guess mostly I wonder if I should try RS for my younger two boys? If they are anything like their older brother and struggle with writing (which I hear is a boy thing??) it might be a better fit. Otoh, I like using one program with everyone because it allows me to me more comfortable with the material and thus able to focus on teaching the child, adjusting to them. My third child will be 5 in the fall. He recently began reading BOB books, at his insistence. His writing is… Not legible. I’m planning to use HWOT with him to try and avoid some of the issues over handwriting my oldest has. He’s currently doing Singapore essentials A, only when he asks for it. Should I just stick with Singapore? Slowing down and fleshing out those early lessons, and scribing for him if needed? Or try RS? And just see how he does to decide whether to switch him to Singapore once he’s up for the writing or to keep on.

    Richele Baburina
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    Hi Rebekah,

    Just a quick note to let you know I have sent a reply that contains links so it probably has to be freed from traps.  Math help is on its way 🙂

    Warmly,

    Richele

    nebby
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    I can’t comment too much on all the different curricula but I wanted to say that when we used mus I often had them skip problems. Though it is much less than something like Saxon or can sti be a lot of problems at once esp once you get to long division. My feeling is if they are getting 2 or 3 problems right they don’t have to do the whole page.

    Nebby

    Richele Baburina
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    Hi Rebekah,

    Your story sounds similar to mine in many ways so I will post, fully expecting others to chime in.  We reaped so much fruit with Charlotte Mason’s philosophy and her methods in our homeschool but math was the area that had us floundering.  It caused me to want to see why Charlotte talked about “beauty and truth” where we experienced “tears and frustration.”

    One big aspect was the writing.  Just as we begin our child with a few years of oral narrations before easing into written narrations, Charlotte’s lessons in arithmetic are largely oral.  It turns out it was just 15 minutes a day, using simple manipulatives found in the home, followed by 5 minutes of mental math in a gradual, step-by-step sequence that was lacking in our elementary arithmetic. Writing was used sparingly (so as not to overshadow the idea of the lesson or unnecessarily fatigue the child) but children did, indeed, learn to write their numbers and eased into writing by sometimes recording a problem they’d solved into their math notebook. I’ve laid that aspect out here in a blog post.

    Really, you don’t need to start formal math lessons with your third child until he is six as he will be learning so much just through the home atmosphere and the natural games kids play. All of my research is published by SCM in a handbook and found in their bookstore.  It lays out for the reader, step by step, how to give those daily 15 minute lessons and the 5 minutes of mental math. A scope and sequence is provided and, along with a book like the Strayer-Upton you already have and/or Ray’s Primary (free for download on the internet) so you have the oral questions right at your fingertips, it will take you through elementary arithmetic. Note, in our home we use the Strayer-Upton and Ray’s just for the problems but follow Charlotte’s sequence laid out in the handbook. That’s how her schools used their textbooks as well. Anyhow, everything is in the handbook, published in the hopes that it might make math joyful for a child and not over-burdening for mom, using simple methods founded on a strong philosophy.

    Warmly,

    Richele

    Tristan
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    I think if you have something that is working for a child that curriculum hopping is not a great idea.  With that said, as a mom of 8 I have found that it helps to have a main curriculum for the whole family as much as possible because *I* become a much better teacher/tutor as I become fully immersed in the program.  Right now, for example, my 8th grader is on the final lessons of MUS PreAlgebra, my 4th and 3rd grader are in MUS Delta, my 1st grader is in MUS Beta, and my Kindergartener plays with MUS Primer, with three little boys to go.  PreAlgebra teaching has been my new territory this year but teaching and personalizing math for each of the other children (fitting the curriculum around their personal skills/needs/abilities) is much easier for the ones in levels I’ve already taught to oldest.

    So whatever you choose, hang in there, be consistent, and give them time!

    (A bit of history:  We started with Saxon with my oldest.  It truly did not fit.  After 3 years of Saxon we made the move to MUS, putting her in the very first level even though she was a 3rd grader.  We’ve stuck with MUS ever since.  So sometimes a curriculum truly doesn’t fit a child.  I get that.  However curriculum hopping means they have to find their feet in a new curriculum over and over and never get comfortable enough with one to see if it’s a good fit.)

    retrofam
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    I have been all over the map with math.  It is difficult because each one of my children learn differently.  When I attempt to switch all of them to a new curriculum due to some of them struggling, that doesn’t work either.  It has taken me a bit to figure out what curriculum I can live with also.

    Since you are happy with Singapore,  I would stick with it as long as it is working well.

    Just as an FYI, I recently switched to Rod and Staff Math,  and am going to combine it with Make Math Meaningful next year. I am waiting until next year to add MMM because I have spent too much money on math this year.  I am hoping this combination will settle my math woes.

     

    Praying you figure yours out soon,

    C

    For Geometry we will use MUS.

    Rebekah
    Participant

    My real question wasnt about switching the older kids, its whether i want to use rhe SCM suggestions with my younger kids.

    It will be easier on me if everybody is using the same math program… And what I did this year with the vintage math with my year 1 (7yo) kid fits right into the CM math suggestions. Mostly oral work and working each number one at a time. OK, I guess I will plan for my third child to follow the same path. The problem with having so many good options to choose from. 🙂

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