Topic | LOF with MUS

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  • Rachel White
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    Bringing this back up again. MY son is starting Epsilon tomorrow. I’m still uncertain whether to start him in the intermediate books or Fractions. I don’t know why I feel so unsure about this decision-decisions usually aren’t this difficult for me. Maybe I should just back up to one before the Fractions? It seems that all of you above went into Fractions well so this shouldn’t be causing me such a problem. Maybe it’s the general uncertainty of what we’re dealing with concerning my dh’s health – newest symptoms of neurological degeneration – that makes me feel like this…

    Any suggestions?

    @crazyforboys: how is it going for your son?

    My dd, 12 is starting MUS Gamma this week, too. I Apples too youngish for her? I know one of you said above that there

    is more meat in the elementary ones than it seems on the surface and math is a difficult concept for her to keep hold.

    THX for dealing with my repetition as I’ve asked this before.

    4myboys
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    I am jumping on here.  

    My original plan was for my older ds 12 to do Fractions over the summer and decide if I need to do two curriculums or not.  (I really can’t afford two, but this would help me to decide if we are good to go with just Fred, or continue with just MUS).  He is behind where I expected him to be in Delta, he will be finishing lesson #24 this coming week, so I doubt he’ll finish much sooner than the end of June. My math-loving 8 year old starts lesson #22 tomorrow, so he’ll be into July before he finishes, probably.  

    The live chat rep on the LOF site suggested that I do Ice Cream and Jelly Beans as well as the Intermediate books with my boys before Fractions.  But if I’m buying all of those, it really reduces my budget for Epsilon if I change my mind.  I know there are plenty of people who are using just Fred — especially for Fractions and on.  So, I am trying to decide, is there a big advantage to using these elementary and intermediate books first, or are they just trying to sell more books?

    Rachel White
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    I looked through the intermediate series adn then back to Jelly Beans and Ice Cream. If I decide to use LOF alonside MUS, I will go to Jelly Beans based upon the scope/sequence found on the website. The concepts taught in teh Fractions book, I think, will be over his head.

    Additionally, I looked at the elementary books adn Apples would be to young for my dd, but butterflies looks good.

    Lastly, I still am not sure if I want to invest in a supplemental curriculum – for cost reasons and time. HOwever, the concepts look so good.

    INput from others who hve been supplementing for while would be appreciated. What benefit -a tangible one- have you noticed in using LOF alongside MUS that makes it worth investing in.

    THX

    Rachel White
    Participant

    bumping…

    houseofchaos
    Participant

    Hi Rachel,

    My 2 cents, for what it’s worth:

    I have children who struggle with math (and ones who don’t).  MathUSee is the best thing I have used with all of them, but we use Life of Fred also – it covers a lot, is interesting and really does help with comprehension for the less math inclined. 

    We do MathUSee M,W,F (2 pages)  and Life of Fred T, Th (1 lesson).

    Honestly, I’m sure just MathUSee is enough, but my kids have said doing both really helps them understand more thoroughly.  All our children except one are always over 95% by test time.  Not that the grade really matters, but I use it to illustrate that they have obviously grasped the concepts well.  They have always done fine with math, but they excel now with the addition of Life of Fred.  All of them, but my oldest in particular, have an easier time applying math concepts to real life now as well (this has not historically been one of their strong points).

    If you can afford it, I would certainly consider trying to fit it in.

    Gaeleen

    Rachel White
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    Thank you, Gaeleen; that was very helpful. You addressed the main issues I had been considering.

    BTW, I sent you a PM.

    jmac17
    Participant

    Additionally, I looked at the elementary books adn Apples would be to young for my dd, but butterflies looks good.

     

    Hi Rachel. I thought I’d respond to this comment that Apples would be too young, but Butterflies would be good.  We’ve gone through the first 8 books so far, and I found there really isn’t a noticeable jump in level as you go through the first few books.  My DD7 and DS5 started Apples last June (DD was not quite 7, DS had just turned 5).  Granted, DS is a VERY mathy kid, but still, we went through the books very quickly.  I think they each did Apples, Butterflies, and Cats in about 6 weeks.  Now, almost a year later, DD7 is on Honey and DD5 is on Goldfish.

    There are lots of concepts listed on the website for each book.  Most of them are addressed so lightly, that I really wouldn’t worry about ‘missing’ something if you don’t do those books.  The main skills for the first 6 books are addition and subtraction, with carrying and borrowing mainly in Edgewood and Farming.  Goldfish starts multiplication.  I personally wouldn’t start all the way back at Apples with a 12yo, just because of the expense.  If you can borrow them (some libraries have them), they would be worth doing, just for the review (which would probably be quick), but I wouldn’t buy them. 

    We love Fred, so I’m not trying to discourage you from the series, but I wouldn’t want you to be turned off by the early books that probably won’t give you a lot of bang for your buck.

    Sorry, I can’t help with the questions about the higher level books.  We aren’t quite there yet!

    Joanne

    4myboys
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    I have been so torn on whether or not to get the whole series.  If I only had our 12 year old I wouldn’t consider it.  My nearly 9 yo headed for 4th grade makes me think twice.  The thing is that they will both wrap up Delta this summer (they are two lessons apart).  I see real advantages in my older son using Ice Cream and Jelly Beans as a review over the summer, and the intermediate books before fractions, so that’s fine.  My only reason for considering going back further with my younger ds is to slow him down and give my oldest a head start.  I am starting to think I may need to stick with MUS for one and LOF for the other, but that’s such an expensive route to go.  I am Sooo confused!

    Rachel White
    Participant

    Thanks Joanne. So since my dd is starting Gamma, which LOF book do you think would be most useful? She’s the one who struggles in math (hence why she’s only in gamma and 12 yrs. old, but doing well for the first time ever).

    @4myboys: if you use LOF for one and MUS for the other, that’s cheaper than MUS for both and supplementing with LOF for one. But you have to discover whether LOF would be a benefit for you oldest first, before making taht decision (as you know). Can LOF be used solely from Fractions through high school math? I guess the only thing I’ve read is that some children need more problems to practice.

    Try looking for used ones at Amazon, Homeschool Classifieds, ebay and well-trained mind.

    jmac17
    Participant

    Rachel, since I’m unfamiliar with MUS, I checked out the placement tests for Beta and Gamma.  Based on this test for Beta:  http://www.mathusee.ca/pdfs/placement/betaexam.pdf it looks like a student in Gamma should already have a good understanding of addition and subtraction.  That test would challenge my DD (who is doing ‘Honey’ right now), because she hasn’t done many questions with that many digits in the problems.  She could do it, but I’d probably have to convince her to try, since the long numbers would be intimidating. 

    So, if your DD can handle that test, Apples through Farming will be primarily review.  In Goldfish, the 3 times tables are taught (the 2s having been addressed as ‘doubles’ when going through addition). In Honey, DD is learning more times tables, and was just introduced to long division.  Goldfish might be a good place to start.  That would give you and your DD an introduction into the Fred approach.  There are some things that will be unfamiliar, but you can probably fill in the blanks fairly easily just by discussing the concepts together.  The books do touch on a variety of topics, but most in just a brief way.  Or you could even go back to Farming, which would review addition and subtraction a bit.  I don’t think I’d go further back than that.  

    Hope that helps.  

    Joanne 

    Wings2fly
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    So it looks like I should be able to read some Life of Fred on Fridays along with some RS math games. I am afraid the day would get too long. Do you spend only 15 minutes on a LOT lesson? Or is it longer?

    nebby
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    It depends where you are starting and how old your child is. I would think in Apples you could do at least one lesson in 15 minutes if not two.

    Nebby

    http://www.lettersfromnebby.wordpress.com

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