Is SCM enough? (super long)

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  • MelissaB
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    Hello, I’m a newbie to this board, but have been reading a lot of the info on the SCM site and message board for the past week or so.  I have tried to look through the archives to answer questions, but felt that I might benefit from posting too.  We’re getting ready to embark on our second year of homeschooling.  I have a dd (going into 8th grade – nearly 14), ds (6th grade – 11), ds (4th grade – 9), & ds (1st grade – 7).  For a little background, last year we used My Father’s World Exploring Countries and Cultures and MFW Kindergarten.  As a newbie homeschooling mom, I struggled with how quickly we got finished with our lessons (meaning where they learning and how could we be finished with school so quickly).  Of course as the year progressed, days went longer, but there were lots of times I wondered if they were really learning anything since the teaching was a lot different that I had experienced as a public school child and still shorter days.  I finally did realize that they were in deed learning, but still it was a lot different than any schooling I had experience with.  I hate that I compare everything with public school, but I can’t help it since that was how I was raised and then my three older children were public schooled until last year as well.

    Naturally I figured we’d continue on the MFW cycle and use Creation to the Greeks with my older three for the upcoming school year with my youngest using MFW 1st.  I received the supplies last Monday and am less than excited about what I found.  I have looked through the books and the lesson plans briefly, but most of the books look sooooo boring to me.  I have read lots of praise about the curriculum and I know you can’t judge a book by it’s cover, but still I can’t help but second guess the path we’re taking.  Also, I’m starting to think ahead to high school and am second guessing MFW high school curriculum as well.  I have read lots of praise about the first year materials as well (even on this board), but I worry that my daughter will feel overwhelmed with all the work she has to do and the fact that it is all done independently.  She’s a very smart girl and works very hard to always do her best last year, but I think it will be too much for her.  My fear stems from the fact that she’s not a super strong reader.  She has some reading comprehension difficulties which I think come from her not fully immersing herself into a book unless it really interests her.  I can’t blame her for that, it’s hard for me to read a book I’m not interested and come away from it with much knowledge.  I partly blame myself for her reading struggles because I wasn’t raised in a book friendly home.  My mom didn’t read to us much that I can remember and I only read when I had to for school.  I am more of a reader now as an adult and enjoy reading with the kids, but still I don’t feel like I’ve set a good example for my kids until as of late and while we read lots of story books as they have grown up, I don’t feel they have had a lot of rich literature (i.e. lots of twaddle).

    Anyway, yesterday I had her look at the sample pages for MFW 9th grade so I could get her thoughts.  I didn’t tell her about SCM before she looked at the pages.  I just told her I wanted her to see what potentially lies ahead for her and that her texts would ultimately be a decision daddy and I made together.  After she looked over the MFW, then we looked over all the SCM things I’d printed.  I showed her all the many different subject and explained that not everything is done each day.  She really liked the SCM schedule (as do I).  So the bottom line of my question, is SCM really enough for high school?

    Last year we didn’t do any narration with MFW and only did nature study a few times.  I really want to incorporate all the aspects of CM into our daily lessons and have been intrigued by the CM methods since last fall when I started reading more about them.  The other night we were reading a few chapters from Mr. Poppers Penguins and I had them try narration for the first time.  They each took a turn going first and then the others followed up telling about the story what hadn’t been already shared.  I was amazed at how well it went and that they really enjoyed doing it.  It definitely seems to help concrete what they read into their heads!

    I just keep coming back to why I teach my children.  Am I trying to mimic public school?  No, of course not.  I’m working to instill our family values in them and training up children to love and follow the Lord.  Of course I want them to do their best and grow in knowledge, but I want them to love learning and I’m especially afraid that using the MFW high school isn’t going to create a love of learning in my daughter.  I know I have a whole year to decide what to do for high school, but while I’m pondering that, I feel like I need some feedback on if it really is enough for someone who might go to college.  I hope a few of you have some wise words for me.  I feel like time isn’t on my side with my daughter at this point.  I wish I would have homeschooled from the start, but I can’t take that back and can only make the best of what we have left.  She talks about going on to college, but at nearly 14 she doesn’t know what she’s going to do with her life.

    I really think we’ll take the plunge and use the SCM suggestions for this school year.  I would start at the beginning (Genesis – Deuteronomy) and if it ends up really fitting us and is academically enough for a college bound child, I’ll try to squeeze the remaining five years into four so my dd can have the full history before graduation.

    One more question, I already have the MFW 1st and now I’m not sure what I should do with it.  Should I use that for my youngest for the reading and writing or put him fully into the SCM schedule?  I have only looked at it but briefly so I’m not sure how it will meld with SCM.  I can work on it with him when the olders are doing their independent work, but I didn’t know if anyone had any experience in that area.  My hubby said it would make sense to not use the MFW 1st and have him follow the SCM schedule.

    Sorry this is so long.  My head hurts from all the thinking and researching I’ve been doing the past week.  I’ve read a lot of information on this discussion board (thank you to those who participate) and decided that maybe I should post my questions.  I’m starting to stress since we only have about 6 weeks until we’ll start the new school year.  I do feel more confident in my role as homeschooling mom now that I have a year under my belt, but I really don’t want to do my dd any disservice by shortcutting her educationally.

    MelissaB

    JennNC
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    Hi Melissa,

    I’m glad you posted your questions. Don’t stress! The ladies here are *wonderfully* helpful.

    I can’t speak to SCM high school as this upcoming year will be our first with SCM at that level. We have used SCM at the lower levels and love it.

    I do know a lot about MFW, though, as we used it for all our kids for several years. I’ll try to talk about what might be relevant for you.

    (1) There is a huge difference between ECC and CTG. CTG assumes an older child. If you felt that ECC was possibly not enough, you are not likely to feel that way about CTG, especially if you follow their suggestions for your jr high child.

    (2) I know MFW says there is no problem for a child in 8th grade using CTG to then go into AHL in 9th — but it does cover the same basic time period and for some kids, that is a problem. It would be with mine.

    (3) With MFW you will have to run 2 programs this year, and next year as well. Really, next year will be almost like 3 programs, b/c you’ll have AHL for your 9th grader, RTR for your middle kids, and then trying to bring your then-2nd-grader into the mix at his level when RTR is really not written for 2nd graders. It can be done — I did it. But it will require tweaking on your part. (Unless they’ve come up with a supplement). For some homeschooling families that is not a problem. I know lots of MFW families who have done it successfully. But I think it is an advantage that SCM is already laid out to work for all students at all levels in the home.

    (4) If Charlotte Mason education is where your heart is, then I think it is important to say that I don’t personally think that MFW is very CM. I found that the farther into the 5-year cycle we got, the less CM it became. That was my primary reason for not using MFW any longer, even though we had invested a lot into it.

    (5) If you aren’t ready for your almost high school dd to be doing the bulk of her work independently, it seems like you are right that MFW would not be a good fit. I would go with your gut on that and not stress over it — you know your daughter.

    (6) That said — CTG was one of my favorite years we did with MFW. I loved it and learned so much. I love the way it integrates Biblical history with what was happening worldwide. We had some great discussions as a family and we look back with a lot of fondness at that year.

    I tell people all the time that MFW has a great program, but if you want it to be truly CM you will have to be willing to tweak.

    As far as your first grader, I personally prefer the more gentle CM method that the SCM curriculum guide lays out. I used it for my 1st grader last year and will be using it for her this coming year in 2nd grade.

    Anyway, that’s just our experience so take it with a grain of salt. Hope something there helps you. 🙂

    ~Jenn

    MelissaB
    Participant

    Thank you for taking the time to post a detailed reply Jenn!  I really appreciate you sharing your experiences with me, it’s very helpful!Smile

    Anyone else, I’d still love to hear more.Smile

    Melissa

    suzukimom
    Participant

    Hi Melissa!

    I don’t have kids anywhere near high school – but I do think that SCM will be enough.  I’m sure someone else will answer soon – I know some people have graduated kids using it.

    MelissaB
    Participant

    I’m bumping this hoping to hear from a few others – pretty please!

    Renelle
    Participant

    Hi Melissa,

    I don’t have high school aged children, but I can say that if the last 12-18 months of trying to implement a CM education is any indication I believe my children have a very bright future. The amount of information being retained is abundant and quality. I know that’s know real help to you butI though it may encourage others and we do things very gently. Our homeschool I guess I would describe as CM influenced as we don’t do everything to schedule.

    Warmest wishes, Renelle

    Tristan
    Participant

    I would not use MFW for your 1st grader if you’re switching everyone else to SCM – I would sell the MFW stuff!  It sounds like your heart really is drawn to the SCM books, so follow that.  There are books for your 1st grader in the SCM history guide.  I LOVE keeping the whole family in the same time period, it just makes for more shared memories. 

    Is SCM enough for high school?  I’ll be honest, I don’t have a high schooler yet.  (My oldest is 5th, the other 5 are younger).  However, I really think one benefit for the CM methods is the high thinking required as the child narrates. 

    Have you read the SCM blog series on Homeschooling through high school the CM way??  Click here for that series of posts. 

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