Habits plus what?

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  • Lashafer
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    Hi all! Won’t this forum be wonderful?! My sister and I were just talking today about habits (I was actually encouraging her and gently prodding her to form more habits with her little boys) and how she was “concerned” about continuing to homeschool with her rapidly growing family. She is expecting blessing #5 this summer. What advice would you give me to give her about habit training her young brood to make her homeschooling days much easier. She’ll have 5 under the age of 6. Do some of you mommies of large families have any advice? She loves this site and the wisdom it contains. I’ve given her the habits information. Just looking for some friendly chatter on the subject! Thanks!

    PrairieMom
    Member

    I remember the days when I had 5 six years old and younger. The days seem to drag but the months are fleeting. Now I have 9 thirteen and younger. We have always homeschooled. In the beginning – where your sister is now – learning is just part of life. That is how is should be even now, although it tends to get a little complicated as they get older. If she can just live and learn with them – read to them (they will enjoy the books you enjoy), count with them the things that need to be counted (oranges at the grocery when they are 8/$1), do science with them as you cook and clean, most importantly do take the time to train them. There are some training issues that I would be much more diligent about at an earlier age, correcting bad habits is much harder than learning them correctly in the first place. It is hard, exhausting, and will drive you to your knees many times a day – but isn’t that where God needs us to be anyway. Focus on training correct daily habits and good relations. This will truly insure for your sister peaceful and easy days in the future. Just to give her a glimpse of light at the end of the tunnell – my oldest three, a boy and 2 girls, are all able to cook and serve an entire meal, my oldest daughter is a great trainer of the younger children – teaching them to brush their teeth and comb their hair and make their beds, my second daughter is the laundry queen around here – keeping the clothes constantly moving through the process, my son manages the vehicle upkeep – installing a tag light on my van last night so it could pass inspection today when we go to town, and the list goes on. As the children are trained day by day, your life will evolve from one of struggle and “getting by” to one of contentment and thoroughly enjoying life and your children. It almost sounds as if I don’t do much anymore. I really do still work hard and pray hard and try to enjoy every minute. Hang in there. Keep those blessings close – even if it seems like they are not getting all the “school” they need, they are getting a mom that loves them and instills in them the knowledge that they were created with an incredible purpose in mind. All the rest will come in time. May God encourage you today in this race of endurance – it will be worth it.

    Blessings –

    christina
    Member

    Well said PrairieMom!! I have four, my oldest is 7, youngest is 3 months, and we are TTC #5. I have been really trying to focus on “train up a child in the way he should go…” I have started to teach my daughters those habits that need ttbe formed, as well as focusing on character building, and fruit of the spirit. It’s amazing how many of those things (cooking, cleaning, pick up after yourself) are actually school related!! =)

    nuts4hs
    Member

    I struggle in this area. I have decided to use afew resource books this year with helping me deal with issues. I am learning along side with my children and it is at times very frustrating. I wasn’t raised the same way I am raising my children, and I am still the only Christian in my family. I am often alone with my idea to homeschool, as my family doesn’t support it…or many others in the community that we live in. If anyone knows of any good books or even some great scripture references…I would greatly appreciate them. Thanks!

    Blessings,

    gr8tfulCMmom
    Participant

    I don’t know if any of you have seen the Laying Down the Rails book offered on the SCM site. It is a MUST HAVE IMHO. All of Charlotte Mason’s teachings are consolidated and departmentalized for us. And the best part, in the back is a checklist of ALL the habits referenced. You can literally evaluate yourself, your children and track your progress. I have the original Charlotte Mason books and one usually accompanies me every where I go. That’s a very important reference series to have, but this book has made it sooo easy to target the habits. Without the habit training, education is almost impossible (or so if feels). Having it all right there in one, comforting book…it’s such a blessing. I guess I’ve had it 3 months now, and the differences in my home are remarkable. Especially within me. I’m quieter, calmer, more relaxed. It’s not easy at first, you have to be committed. We tackled a big one right up front…immediate obedience (with a happy face and only 2 words “yes ma’am”). That was tough. The second one was a little easier and now, as each new habit is added, the process keeps getting easier. My DD (5) actually asked me what our new habit was for next week…

    So my STRONG recommendation is to invest in Laying Down the Rails. And, of course, the original 6 in Charlotte’s series. I hope I’m not sounding like an advertisement, but it was such an unexpected blessing. I hadn’t actually planned on buying it when I got it. A friend loaned it to me because she was so excited about it (thanks frau!) and a cup of coffee was splashed on it. So, I then owned a beautiful brown copy, but it had to have been God! He knew I needed it! And yes, I bought her a new one ;~)

    Maybe that will help someone…I hope so!

    christina
    Member

    Thank you for that! I had looked at it online the other day, but of course, not knowing the value of it. Off to look at it again…LOL!

    spotlessac
    Member

    I also am very happy I bought it!!! Just being able to have everything that

    CM says on habits in one place is a huge blessing!!

    In Christ

    Angie in GA

    Christy
    Member

    Great advice, I needed to read all those and be encouraged to keep plugging away at all those very important habits. I can get so discouraged sometimes, but like the prairiemom said being at a helpless place is when i need to go to my knees. Thank you for your input. I love Laying Down the Rails. Thanks Sonya!!

    Rachel White
    Participant

    How did you implement the “immediate obedience”? using the LDTR book. I have it as well and I don’t think I’m am using it to it’s fullest potential. Any Ideas? Especially for a 7 year old boy who is acting differently than when he was six!!

    angieallen
    Member

    I am seeking advice as well. I posted this question on the other CM site as well. I am homeschooling my two sons for the first time ever. They are ages 13 & 10. The teenager has a tendency to gloominess and seeing the bad in things. This is one reason I wanted so much to homeschool… to try to change this before it was entirely too late. I have my sons write in a gratitude journal everyday (I do as well) and they must write 3 things they are grateful for or just some good things that they have noticed. They are not allowed to write the same thing twice in one month. I did that to try to get their minds to looking for good. Other than that, I do not know what to do. I do not have the LDTR book. Does it give very much advice on HOW to implement, as I already know the habits I want to instill. Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

    Angie in KY

    gr8tfulCMmom
    Participant

    The best advice I can give is from Charlotte Mason herself:

    vol 1 pg 120

    the mother must devote herself for a few weeks to this cure as steadily and untiringly as she would to the nursing of her child through measles. Having in a few––the fewer the better––earnest words pointed out the miseries that must arise from this fault, and the duty of overcoming it, and having so got the (sadly feeble) will of the child on the side of right-doing, she simply sees that for weeks together the fault does not recur. The child goes to dress for a walk; she dreams over the lacing of her boots––the tag in her fingers poised in mid air––but her conscience is awake; she is constrained to look up, and her mother’s eye is upon her, hopeful and expectant. She answers to the rein and goes on; midway, in the lacing of the second boot, there is another pause, shorter this time; again she looks up, and again she goes on. The pauses become fewer day by day, the efforts steadier, the immature young will is being strengthened, the habit of prompt action acquired. After that first talk, the mother would do well to refrain from one more word on the subject; the eye (expectant, not reproachful), and, where the child is far gone in a dream, the lightest possible touch, are the only effectual instruments. By-and-by, ‘Do you think you can get ready in five minutes to-day without me?’ ‘Oh yes, mother.’ ‘Do not say “yes” unless you are quite sure.’ ‘I will try.’ And she tries, and succeeds. Now, the mother will be tempted to relax her efforts––to overlook a little dawdling because the dear child has been trying so hard. This is absolutely fatal. The fact is, that the dawdling habit has made an appreciable record in the very substance of the child’s brain. During the weeks of cure new growth

    vol 1 pg 121

    has been obliterating the old track, and the track of a new habit is being formed. To permit any reversion to the old bad habit is to let go all this gain. To form a good habit is the work of a few weeks; to guard it is a work of incessant, but by no means anxious care. One word more,––prompt action on the child’s part should have the reward of absolute leisure, time in which to do exactly as she pleases, not granted as a favour, but accruing (without any words) as a right.

    …This is one of the rocks that mothers sometimes split upon: they lose sight of the fact that a habit, even a good habit, becomes a real pleasure; and when the child has really formed the habit of doing a certain thing, his mother imagines that the effort is as great to him as at first, that it is virtue in him to go on making this effort, and that he deserves, by way of reward, a little relaxation––she will let him break through the new habit a few times, and then go on again. But it is not going on; it is beginning again, and beginning in the face of obstacles. The ‘little relaxation’ she allowed her child meant the forming of another contrary habit, which must be overcome before the child gets back to where he was before.

    This story is what launched me in my habit training with the kids, the “how-to” I understood:

    Tact, Watchfulness, and Persistence.––For example, and to choose a habit of no great consequence except as a matter of consideration for others: the mother wishes her child to acquire the habit of shutting the door after him when he enters or leaves a room. Tact, watchfulness, and persistence are the qualities she must cultivate in herself; and, with these, she will be astonished at the readiness with which the child picks up the new habit.

    Stages in the Formation of a Habit.––’Johnny,’ she says, in a bright, friendly voice, ‘I want you to remember something with all your might: never go into or out of a room in which anybody is sitting without shutting the door.’

    ‘But if I forget, mother?’

    ‘I will try to remind you.’

    ‘But perhaps I shall be in a great hurry.’

    ‘You must always make time to do that.’

    ‘But why, mother?’

    ‘Because it is not polite to the people in the room to make them uncomfortable.’

    ‘But if I am going out again that very minute?’

    ‘Still, shut the door, when you come in; you can open it again to go out. Do you think you can remember?’

    ‘I’ll try, mother.’

    vol 1 pg 123

    ‘Very well; I shall watch to see how few “forgets” you make.’

    For two or three times Johnny remembers; and then, he is off like a shot and half-way downstairs before his mother has time to call him back. She does not cry out, ‘Johnny, come back and shut the door!’ because she knows that a summons of that kind is exasperating to big or little. She goes to the door, and calls pleasantly, ‘Johnny!’ Johnny has forgotten all about the door; he wonders what his mother wants, and, stirred by curiosity, comes back, to find her seated and employed as before. She looks up, glances at the door, and says, ‘I said I should try to remind you.’ ‘Oh, I forgot,’ says Johnny, put upon his honour; and he shuts the door that time, and the next, and the next.

    But the little fellow has really not much power to recollect, and the mother will have to adopt various little devices to remind him; but of two things she will be careful––that he never slips off without shutting the door, and that she never lets the matter be a cause of friction between herself and the child, taking the line of his friendly ally to help him against that bad memory of his. By and by, after, say, twenty shuttings of the door with never an omission, the habit begins to be formed; Johnny shuts the door as a matter of course, and his mother watches him with delight come into a room, shut the door, take something off the table, and go out, again shutting the door.

    The Dangerous Stage.––Now that Johnny always shuts the door, his mother’s joy and triumph begin to be mixed with unreasonable pity. ‘Poor child,’ she says to herself, ‘it is very good of him to take so

    vol 1 pg 124

    much pains about a little thing, just because he is bid!’ She thinks that, all the time, the child is making an effort for her sake; losing sight of the fact that the habit has become easy and natural, that, in fact, Johnny shuts the door without knowing that he does so. Now comes the critical moment. Some day Johnny is so taken up with a new delight that the habit, not yet fully formed, loses its hold, and he is half-way downstairs before he thinks of the door. Then he does think of it, with a little prick of conscience, strong enough, not to send him back, but to make him pause a moment to see if his mother will call him back. She has noticed the omission, and is saying to herself, ‘Poor little fellow, he has been very good about it this long time; I’ll let him off this once.’ He, outside, fails to hear his mother’s call, says, to himself––fatal sentence!––’Oh, it doesn’t matter,’ and trots off.

    Next time he leaves the door open, but it is not a ‘forget.’ His mother calls him back in a rather feeble way. His quick ear catches the weakness of her tone, and, without coming back, he cries, ‘Oh, mother, I’m in such a hurry,’ and she says no more, but lets him off. Again he rushes in, leaving the door wide open. ‘Johnny!’––in a warning voice. ‘I’m going out again just in a minute, mother,’ and after ten minutes’ rummaging he does go out, and forgets to shut the door. The mother’s mis-timed easiness has lost for her every foot of the ground she had gained.

    I hope this helps!

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    Angie, you’re on the right track, in that, Charlotte’s advice for dealing with a sullen, moody child was to get that child to change his thoughts. With younger children, she depended on the parents to help “distract” the child in order to change his thoughts. But with older children, she encouraged the parents to get the child’s will involved and work together to learn how to intentionally change your sullen thoughts into thoughts of gratitude or at least something enjoyable and pleasant. You can read a living story she wrote that illustrates this concept in Volume 5 (Formation of Character), pages 41-67, called “Dorothy Elmore’s Achievement.” I found three practical how-to suggestions in that story:

    1. Don’t let your child’s sullenness ruin life for those around him. Continue to enjoy the day and casually invite him to do the same.
    2. Reassure your child of your love with looks of pleasure, not reproach.
    3. Teach your child to replace his sullen thoughts with good ones. Teach an older child to distract himself mentally.

    What you may need to do now is help your son identify when he is feeling sullen and immediately go to work to change his thoughts. The “thankful writing” is a great start, but he might not be near his pencil when the mood strikes him. So if he can learn to strengthen his will enough to change his thoughts right away, he’ll be on the right track. Does that make sense?

    angieallen
    Member

    Thank you, gr8tfulCMmom and Sonya. And yes, Sonya, it makes perfect sense! Thank you for the reply. If you (or anyone!) think of other things, please don’t hesitate to post them, no matter how trivial you might think it to be. And thank you again!

    Angie in KY

    christina
    Member

    when people are making refernec to vol 1, are you referring to the Charlotte Mason Companion?

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    Volumes 1 through 6 usually refer to Charlotte’s original writings, now compiled into six volumes, and the set is called The Original Home Schooling Series.

    • Vol. 1: Home Education
    • Vol. 2: Parents and Children
    • Vol. 3: School Education
    • Vol. 4: Ourselves
    • Vol. 5: Formation of Character
    • Vol. 6: A Philosophy of Education

    You can read them online for free and/or purchase your own set.

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