Frustrated and depressed

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  • Sara B.
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    My dh did it again last night – threatened to put the kids in school.  This time at least he was focused on high school, so I have 3 years.

    But here’s the thing that I am so frustrated about.  He is the most logical thinker in the world – really, you can’t pull anything emotional on him and hope to change his mind.  Yet every reason he gives me for putting the kids in high school is emotional!  They’ll miss out on sports, dances, band & choir, he had such a good experience in high school so he wants the kids to have that, too, etc.  I have explained to him that there are homeschool sports teams (not to mention in MN you can join the public school teams), there are homeschool dances, there are homeschool bands & choirs – but he doesn’t believe me.  (Oh, and our kids aren’t even interested in playing any instruments other than piano, and none of them can sing, so…. Totally don’t get this one at all.)  So I told him to research it.  He refuses!  He refuses to believe any of my research because it’s “biased” (meaning: it’s coming from you lovely people here and plenty of others who have gone before who have so encouraged me, plus my own research scouring the internet over the past several years).  But he refuses to go do his own research on anything and instead just believes his own biased opinion based on nothing but 4 years of experience when he was a teenager.  He just flat out refuses.  It’s not a matter of time.  He has plenty of time to research his own stuff or do whatever he feels like doing.  But when it comes to things I have researched, he won’t.  I don’t get it.  And it makes me feel very belittled and stupid.  My opinions obviously don’t matter to him.  I am hurt to the point of crying again.

    You know, I’d have an easier time following his lead if it was based on something more than emotion and actually made sense.  But he can’t even explain why he wants the kids in high school.  He keeps repeating, “They’ll miss out on this or that, and I want them to have the same experience I did.”  But hello, they aren’t going to have the same experience as him, anyway!  He went away to high school in Seattle, without his parents, who were missionaries in the Dominican Republic.  His class was like 25 kids.  The high school we’d most likely send our kids to has graduating classes of at least 50-75.  It’s a completely different school with completely different kids and completely different teachers.  They’ll live at home with us rather than with families who take in students from out-of-state.  Completely different experiences.  The school they’d go to is one I wanted to go to, but my parents couldn’t afford it.  I know the kids there, and what they were like in the 90s.  He had problems in high school with kids (and even a teacher!) getting pregnant.  I know this school is much the same, plus I know, at least in the 90s, there were a few kids with drug problems, too.  I remember the kids who went there from my church talking about it.  The things that parents say about what goes on in the high schools (and the elementary schools, too) do not make me want to send my kids there.  Cattiness, bullying, drugs, sex – all are just as rampant there as in the public schools.  Granted, homeschooling won’t necessarily protect my kids from that, but it’s got a much higher chance than traditional schools.  And we can expose them to that stuff without throwing them into it.

    He tried mentioning last night about logical order of math and classes.  I’m like, but that’s why we have a logical order to our own homeschool……  At that point he refused to listen and literally covered his ears like a baby!  Talk about disrespectful to me!  I was so hurt, angry, and in tears by the time he did that, that was just the icing on the cake.

    I have tried explaining to him about the kids and what I see their experiences being there.  Our oldest is very “follow the crowd.”  She’s much like me in that regard when I was young and stupid.  I followed the wrong crowd, and she’d be one to do that, too.  I already see it at church.  The girls she’s drawn to are ones that eventually I know I’m going to have to stop the friendships with unless these girls change drastically in the next couple of years.  Our 2nd oldest LOVES homeschooling.  She is much like her father (go figure).  She does not do well in a traditional boxed system.  She learned absolutely nothing in 4K when she was little.  I had to repeat it with her the following year, and this past year she finally caught up to her age/grade level (4th grade now).  And she’s incredibly smart.  Incredibly smart.  Sitting in a classroom for 8 hours a day would kill her.  She’s already said she wants to homeschool forever.  She has even said she’ll homeschool her own kids.  Our 3rd, if given the chance, would follow the catty girls at school and get out of doing as much work as possible.  Here at home I can train her and push her and encourage her, and also watch her friends.  At school she would be taken in by all the pretty clothes and cute boys, etc.  That scares me.  She’s more daring in those regards.  Our 4th is again like our 2nd.  Very out of the box, extremely smart, would die sitting in a desk all day.  I don’t know why my dh doesn’t see this about our kids, especially since 2 are just like him and he said he hated school!  He says he was finally challenged in high school and liked it – but we can challenge them here at their own level, and they’d have so much more time than he did to pursue their own passions!  He won’t listen to me when I describe the kids and their personalities.  Moms usually have pretty good intuition, but he won’t believe mine because it’s “biased.”

    Publicly, he’s very supportive of homeschooling.  Privately, he’s constantly trying to get the kids in school.  I never know if Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde will show up.  Makes me on edge all the time.  I just am so frustrated.  I can’t have this weighing on me like this.  Some couples fight about money – we fight about school.  Cry

    Thanks for letting me vent.  Please pray for us.  Please pray he at least does his research, whatever the outcome may be.  Like I said, if he’d do the research and have logical explanations and make logical, sound conclusions, I’d have a much easier time following his lead.  But right now, how can I follow the lead of someone who refuses to listen to anyone whose opinion (based on research) differs from his own?  Not just mine, but even other dads he’s talked to, he thinks they’re biased, too.  Frustrating!  I want to respect him and his decisions, I try very hard to, but when I feel like he’s walking into fire, and he has no clue and refuses to listen to the clanging bells, how do I respect and follow someone like that?  How do I protect my kids from it?

    curlywhirly
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    ((((Sara B.))))

    I can hear your fear and frustration in your post. I’m sorry this is happening this way. I don’t know your husband or family, obviously, but I am going to give you my gut reaction to your description so if I am off in left field and it doesn’t fit just disregard.

    It sounds to me like the conflict about home schooling is not really about home schooling. I don’t know what its really about, but when a person who is usually logical is completely, persistently NOT logical, its often because their emotions have hijacked their logic and they are camoflaging the real problem by focusing on something else. Often they do this uncounciously, without even knowing what is going on themselves because that would require being aware and accountable for their own emotions.

    I would encourage you to stop the outward conflict about school. You don’t have to agree with him or make a plan right now to put the kids in school, but refuse to play the conflict games. Just say something like “Thank God we have time before we have to cross that bridge”” or whatever is appropriate for you. Instead, take that reminder to pray that God would reveal the true source of conflict to you, and to your hubby so you can get it out in the open and deal with it. You may have to love him through some ugly stuff, but thats one of the blessings of being married.

     

    cherylramirez
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    Agreeing with curlywhirly. This problem is so very  important and so very bigger than you that you are left with no alternative but to turn it over to the Lord.  We have had some MAJOR life conflicts that I fought with prayer and the prayers of others.  Start praying about this NOW while you still have 3 years to go and ask us to pray with you.   I will be more than happy to pray with you, and others will too if you ask.

    kerby
    Participant

    {{hugs}}

    It’s so hard when they don’t “get it” or refuse to hear.  I have found prayer to be the best help.  I have had a few different situations where dh didn’t “listen” to me.  I prayed for others to share in a way he would hear, and God provided.  That doesn’t take away from your own hurt.  (That I know all too well.)  But, at least it will keep your dc home.  It’s a step in the right direction. 

    And, on the off-chance that you still have to send them, I will pray that his eyes are opened quickly – and he brings them home.  I had to do this w/ my dc.  I’ve had varying levels of ps involvement and repercussions for the dc because of dh’s leading.  It wasn’t easy to see my dc go through it, to know how wrong/hard it was for them, or keep respecting dh.  I have had to leave these things in God’s hands and know that HE is still in charge.  HE *does* work through those situations, too, for those who are trusting HIM.  The one partial good thing that came of it is that he wants absolutely NOTHING to do w/ the ps.  Granted, that also negates even one or two classes at the Vocational Ctr, unfortunately, but it could be worse.

     

    I will be praying for you and your family.  You do have 3 yrs, so ask God to help you.  Whether that’s w/ the ultimate of keeping the dc home, or you accepting that it might be part of God’s plan for dh or your dc in some way, coming to terms w/ the direction.  (and, I truloy know how hard that can be).  It’s OK to feel the way you’re feeling.  It’s how you respond to those feelings that will speak more to dh, your dc, and others.  I pray you have the strength you need.  I’ll also pray that during these next 3 yrs, you will be able to prepare your dc, giving them a solid foundation to stand on.  It’s a hard place to be.  {{hugs}}

     

    cdm2kk
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    My husband did this recently, but due to finances running low and he wanted me to get a job and help support outside the family. While I am totally against it, I agreed to do what he felt was best as head of our household. I prepared the children that as of next year it could be a possibility and asked if they wanted to discuss. My son said he would like to go back to PS, so that night I told my husband that our son wanted too, but our daughter would need time to adjust. He looked at me like I was crazy. He said that PS would be the worst place for our kids and that he didn’t want me to go to work or any of it, he was just venting and panicking and just felt overwhelmed. After he had slept, he had formed a plan and was good to go. He said after he prayed he could see it was just the devil trying to seperate us and get the kids back into a Godless environment and he wasn’t letting the devil win. So we are set and he is just nervous about the unknown. Maybe your husband too is a little nervous about the unknown? I probably would tell him I would be open to trying the PS for highschool but if child wasn’t happy, then they can choose to come home AND he willingly takes full responsibility for any and all experiences, not just “the good ones”, meaning in highschool his daughter is likely to get groped almost daily and leered at and even have comments made, as this was my highschool experience. This will certainly test her body image of heerself to the maximum.

    I moved to a new town my freshman year so I was the new girl and here is a newsflash….. high school girls have had a life time of survival skills and have become very cruel to one another, so I was NOT welcomed with open arms. I spent many nights crying alone in my room because I knew everyone else were out having fun with each other and I had no one. This will certainly test your daughter’s image of herself to the maximum.

    By my sophmore year, I had made lots of aquaintenances, but no real true blue friends and so I began to get invited to all the parties, kicker/cowboy parties, smoker/druggie parties, popular crowd/footballer parties and I made my rounds just trying to fit in…..yep, don’t want your children missing those experiences, I was offered everything under the sun, alcohol, drugs, sex, even to drag race, vandalize, and breaking and entering just for fun……  I am proud to say that while I am no saint, I took up cigs so as to not be labeled a goody goody, which is a death sentence in high school and by that I mean you become the target for everyone to bully. I chose smoking because it was the only thing that didn’t have the chance to kill me immediately like drugs, sex, or alcohol could!! I however had moved a lot in my years and had learned how to evade and decline without it going into a full on dare situation and my sister didn’t fair so well… she had to have her stomach pumped twice. yeah, wouldn’t want your kids to miss out on those life lessons. 

    I am not writing this to scare you, but rather to show that you get the bad with the good and it really is up to you as parents to decide if the good out weighs the bad. In my situation definitely not as I really don’t recall prom or even graduation, they were just non events to me…. What I do remember is my first real date, my first real kiss, first real boyfriend, first friend to have my back, and those you can get as a homeschool kid just the same as PS kids, but with less of the bad. Yes, I know that my children will one day have to learn to deal with the bad elements of life, but I am ok with it being when they are grown and their brains are developed. LOL

     

    I wish you the absolute best in opening his eyes and I send out prayers that he will see that he just has fears of the unknown. I wish you peace in this ongoing issue!! HTH 

    Sara B.
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    Thank you for all your words of encouragement and your prayers.  I totally didn’t mention that it’s a private high school through our church body he’d send them to (I’ve come on here & AO so many times about this, I probably figured everyone knew by now LOL, but I had thought I mentioned it – I blame high emotions).  But with what I’ve seen going on in these schools from kids I know personally attending, it’s not much better than the public schools in regards to textbooks used, morality, etc, except that they have Bible and prayers throughout the day, etc.  Granted, the kids overall have been raised a little better in terms of obedience toward teachers, being nice on class trips, etc, and being angels in front of adults, but in front of just peers, even what I see on FB (oy! Do they not know parents and family members are watching???), I don’t want my kids a part of it.

    cdm2kk, you may be onto something with his fear of the unknown.  For a long time I didn’t know how I was going to do high school, until I found CM and looked at the big picture overall.  Now I have no qualms about teaching it, and of course I’m totally open to getting help with subjects I just don’t understand or can’t learn alongside the kids (I’m thinking Chemistry & Biology….).

    It’s funny, too, he had always wanted to be homeschooled, and his mom refused, but once he got the chance to do it with his own kids, he sometimes just wants to run from it, even though he attends a CM retreat with me every year, and he’s even attending the big state homeschool convention with me this year.  I just don’t get it…

    “The kids don’t have enough friends.”  “R should be in more sports.”  “The kids should have the chance to be in band and choir.”  “They need to know what the real world is like.”  Very emotional, illogical excuses to put them in school.  Now, if they weren’t testing at grade level, or struggling, or they said every day they hated homeschool, or I had trouble controlling them – those kinds of things I’d be talking seriously about putting them in school, too!  But none of that is happening at all.  They all enjoy it immensely.  In fact, this has been our most consistent and enjoyable year since we started.  Our oldest is in a Catechism/Confirmation class at our church now, taught in a traditional school approach.  She hates it!  A whole day of that, and she’d go numb.  Undecided

    marmiemama
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    Sara, I didn’t have time to read through all the posts leisurely, but I just wanted to let you know that I will keep this in my prayers.  Some quick thoughts that came to my mind though…perhaps do the research FOR him.  Look into all your highschool extracurricular options (although they may change in 3 years), print out info, place in a folder, and just let him know (in an ever-so-nice way!), that if he would like to take a look, there is information there that might put his mind at ease.  No pressure.  

     

    Also…just wanted to share that my children have been attending a fine arts co-op for 6 years, and my two oldest dd’s (18 and 15) have gone to two swing dances and a masquerade ball (with another swing dance this Friday, and a senior prom coming up in May as well).  The Lord will provide exactly what your children need in just the right season. Keep praying and stay close to hubby!  The Lord can definitely handle this situation!  

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