Does high school have to be independent?

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  • Amber Castleberry
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    Everywhere I turn it seems like the ultimate “goal” of homeschooling is to ensure that our kiddos are almost completely independent by high school. Why is this???

    My daughter will be entering high school this year, but I don’t want her completely independent. My daughter is extremely advanced, and she is fully capable of working 99% independently, but it’s not something that I want.

    With all of the craziness going on in the world, I feel a need to pull my children close. I want them to be close to one another, close to my husband and me, and for us to have discussions about what they are learning and how it applies to life during these tumultuous times.

    I just can’t grasp how to do that if my children will be separated in so much learning. — Beyond “morning time” and “just having discussions” (bc if we’re honest, it doesn’t always happen consistently) how can we have a more cohesive family-style learning environment? ((My children are 13, 12, & 8.))

    MissusLeata
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    I grew up in a very close family and, though we homeschooled, we didn’t really do any class work together. So, don’t feel that family studies has to be there for family closeness.

    That said, the reason many of us want independent work for highschool kids is because we are trying to prepare them for adulthood. We still want our adult kids to be emotionally close to us, but we want them to be able to make their own schedules, get their jobs done without our supervision, etc.  Obviously, there are ways outside of school hours to learn those skills.  But that’s one of my major goals in adding independent work.

     

    ErinD
    Participant

    I guess it depends on what your (or “their”) definition of “independent” is. If it means having your child complete all of their work completely alone with no check-in, no discussion and no help, then no, I’m not sure anyone wants that much independence.

    I agree with MissusLeata, in that I want my kids to be able to work alone, get stuff done, and manage their work on their own because those are good skills to have for adulthood, but on the other hand, I do want to engage with them in what they’re learning, know what they struggle with, and touch base often so I get their feedback and their thoughts on everything they study.

    So there’s a balance.

    One way you can have a more cohesive learning experience, is to combine your children for a subject or two (or more, like history, art, reading aloud, etc.) and then have them work independently in areas like math, English and science (at least for your high school daughter; I always combined my elementary kids for science). Also, I find oral narration to be a very useful tool in checking in with my students about subjects they do independently. Often I ask very open-ended questions, like, “What was that about?” or “What did you think of that?” That way, we connect on some level, even if they did do the work alone.

    But, again, I agree with MissusLeata that you don’t necessarily have to all be learning the same thing for there to be family closeness. There are lots of other things you can do together as a family that don’t have anything to do with school, and one of the perks of homeschooling is that you may have more time for those things.

    sarah2106
    Participant

    I agree with pretty much everything said above.

    I was HSed growing up and we were independent for all our studies, didn’t know about family studies back then, and we were all still close. We just talked a lot about everything.

    My oldest is entering 9th grade and she has really enjoyed branching out the last couple years in different subjects here and there. She is still with us, in the same room, I am still checking in with her, but she gets so excited when she reads something and says, “Mom, did you know…” and she gets to tell me about what she is learning. I don’t think independence means alone or away from the family, it is just creating good habits of self learning. It is like moving from coach to cheerleader for me. And cheerleader is pretty fun. Encouraging when math gets hard, sharing excitement when an experiment she did on her own actually worked…

    Amber Castleberry
    Participant

    My daughter is an incredible student. She loves school, and she is fully capable of doing her learning independently — she has been independent for over 2 years. I miss her in our learning, and sometimes she feels “isolated” b/c she’s doing so much on her own — even if she’s in the same room. She is very responsible (really, she’s an almost perfect student…she struggles in other areas, b/c obviously she’s not perfect! 😉 )

    There’s just so much depth and richness in history, for example, that separating my children for that area of study and many good books seems crazy to me.

    Maybe I’m making it harder than I need to…maybe I’m letting fear paralyze me…I don’t know. I just feel that we homeschool as a lifestyle to bring our family together in their learning, and striving for academic independence before 12th grade (perhaps) negates the purpose.

    Tamara Bell
    Moderator

    Hi Amber,

    We here at SCM fully support family learning.  You will find our history guides are written so that families share resources daily and then separate to read books independently that go into age appropriate details.  Our Enrichment Studies (composer and artist studies, poetry, art instruction, handicrafts, Shakespeare, and nature study) are written as a family guide as well.  We believe rich discussions happen within a family and the young and old of the group grow and gain new insights from other family members.  Math, language arts, and upper level sciences are subjects that we feel must be completed at the students level as they are skill based subjects.

    Amber Castleberry
    Participant

    Thank you, Tamara. I will keep digging into SCM!

    CrystalN
    Participant

    I am finding these posts very timely. And I agree with them all. I did want to add that the individual student’ needs should be the deciding factor, not an age or grade. Of course our kids are headed for the real world without mommy to direct their college classes and career responsibilities so learning to learn, self motivate, plan, and execute are necessary skills. So are patience (waiting for a younger sibling to narrate), consideration (not interrupting), appreciation for another’s strengths or weaknesses (I narrate great but you are a great artist). These are also life skills. My ds begged to be released  from family time in 10th grade. I allowed it with a broken heart, knowing that doing school on his own was what he needed. My dd is about to be in 9th grade and I will not allow her to do school alone. She has the independence thing down cold. She is very introverted and would be fine if I sent her off on her own, but I don’t think it would be good for her in the long run. For her the family interaction is what she needs now. I think don’t stress it. If the time comes that your student needs to be more independent you will both know and it will be very natural for you to make he change. It will just feel right.

    Melanie32
    Participant

    My youngest child just graduated from our homeschool on Friday. 😢 The transition to independent learning evolved differently with each of my two children. It was a more organic process and just kind of happened naturally. I never pushed it. They let me know when they wanted to work independently on a subject. We did history as a family until my son graduated and I worked some independent history readings into his literature component of our homeschool. He did math and science on his own. We had read aloud a every day and had family devotions every day together as well as our history studies. We went on lots of field trips and nature walks together.

    My daughter wanted to do more together. By the time she reached high school my son had already graduated so it was just the two of us. We did most subjects together. As she grew older some subjects just worked better independently and she did more and more of her school this way. By the time she was a senior we were down to doing read alouds, history, family devotions and logic together. Through the year, we finished some subjects early and our together times during school slowly whittled down to read alouds (always!) and family devotions. It was a slow and natural transition. She had no problem moving to mostly independent work when the time came.

    We eat together, walk together, exercise together and hang out together in lots of our free time so we still spent plenty of time together.

    I just wanted to encourage you to do what works for your family and for this particular child and situation. The transition to independent work has been much more gradual and organic in our homeschool and both of my children are wonderful at independent learning.

    Blessings,

    Melanie

    Tristan
    Participant

    We do a mix and it shifts as the child requests it to. My oldest has just finished her first year of college and I asked her about how she felt homeschooling did and did not prepare her for college and adult life:

    “Overall, I feel like I was more prepared than many of the college freshman I interacted with because I already knew how to make my own study schedule and spread project work out over a few weeks, instead of waiting to finish it the day before it was due. Several of my professors asked me if I had been homeschooled, because I speak up in class, answer questions, and ask questions if I don’t understand something.

    Academically, the only area I feel I wasn’t as well prepared in is math, but math has been my nemesis for a long time. I knew going in that I would make use of the math lab and doing my work there each week was great because there was someone right there able to help when I got stuck.

    I am also glad I still got to be part of some of our read alouds, and that you worked with me on some of my subjects. I also liked doing some subjects on my own.

    I was able to balance college and a job. I already knew how to take care of my dorm, do my laundry, etc. I was able to be a nanny, feed and take care of little kids, do diapers, help with housework, etc.”

    Amber Castleberry
    Participant

    Crystal, Melanie & Tristan,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond. I feel that it’s more of a “heart” issue with me than anything else. As I stated, my daughter is incredibly bright and has been independent in her learning in ALL subjects (we’ve used Heart of Dakota for a long while). But the separation is hard on ME with grading, keeping abreast of what she’s learning b/c it does not tie into anything either of her brothers is learning, and with just the feeling of not doing things as a family.

    I am trying to wrap my brain around how to continue to give her independence (obviously in math and LA, and maybe her own personal Bible study), but how to create some sort of cohesive learning for everything else.

    I honestly don’t’ worry about my daughter academically — I think she’ll be ready to take the SAT at the end of this year. But academics are actually not my main goal for any of my children.  I want them to love God, love others, show respect and honesty to all people, work hard, and find something meaningful that they enjoy in life. *For me, that just doesn’t seem as easy to achieve when all of my children are separated in all (or most) subjects. Not that it can’t be done for others, but I am trying to find something that works for our family.

     

    Tristan
    Participant

    Amber, I understand! That separation of older teens is hard on our mama hearts. I have 10 kiddos, so this fall besides the college daughter I will have 2 high school, 2 middle school, 3 elementary school, and a 4yo and 2yo. Here is what we do:

    • Daily family read aloud.
    • Daily family scripture study.
    • Same history curriculum/time period. We do short lessons together and then the older kids get to branch off into their own books. They narrate those books to me. I try to read along, or read over the summer the books I think we’ll use.
    • Regular sharing of current science studies between older and younger kids. (Going both ways! The younger ones love sharing with the older kids too.)
    • Nature study as a family.
    • Singing/music as a family.
    • Chore time as a family.
    • Family service projects.

    It gets a bit more scattered when high schoolers are 16+ and have a job, but we try to maintain our routine and they join when they are home.

     

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