At what point do you throw in the towel?

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  • totheskydear
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    Hundreds of good, living books on our shelves. SCM guides aplenty. CDs of the world’s best composers’ music. Books upon books of beautiful art prints. Thousands of hours reading, researching, studying CM’s philosophies and comparing it to other methods. Years of dreaming of implementing CM homeschooling….

    For nothing.

    My child is extremely strong-willed and argumentative. We read. I ask for narration. Nothing. Either he refuses to do it t all or I get “They were talking.” “The guy fought with the other guy.” Half the time he tunes out and doesn’t remember anything. I get a satisfactory narration that shows that he actually understood maybe once every couple of weeks.

    If I say “Let’s read again so you can try paying more attention”, it turns into a huge fight where he is screaming at me and saying things like “You don’t have a very good memory! Don’t you know I already did that?!” (We just escaped from living in the same town as both sets of grandparents who undermined every decision we made and kindled the fire of disrespect in this child and are still trying to detox from years of bad habits instilled in him). Sigh!

    Sure, we eventually get the checklist done but he doesn’t remember very much at all. It all just seems so pointless. At what point do you just throw in the towel and do some idiotic boxed curriculum to have your own sanity? I had so many goals and dreams but now almost daily I find myself asking why I even bother. At least with workbooks I’d have something to show for all the hard work I do…

    retrofam
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    First off,  don’t make any decisions about changing teaching styles when you are angry.

    Parenting is difficult,  and so is homeschooling when a child is rebelling.

    What are your goals for his education?  Is it to provide a CM education,  to find something he will do willingly,  or to somehow survive educating him, and preserve your relationship with him in the process?

    Each one of us have different goals and parenting approaches.

    Hopefully you can learn his learning style and come up with solutions with his input.

    One of my boys didn’t like much of anything,  so he wanted control of when to do math, etc. (2 lessons every other day, preferred to work independently (outside if possible) and liked to read “regular” books vs. a textbook.   I often gave him a few options and asked which one he hated the least!  He graduated, and we have a good relationship.  That said,  he is the compliant type.

    Hopefully your son knows that you are on his side,  and you want him to succeed.

     

    My dd7 is active and for her we are trying Konos,  but with living books and CM elements such as narration and copy work.  She does ok with CM but I feel like I am dragging her along with the older ones and putting blocks, etc. in her hands to keep her quiet.

    I am going to try Konos unit studies to help engage her more and provide her with active learning opportunities.

    Don’t give up on your son. You will find what works for him.

     

    Praying!

    Tristan
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    Praying, you’re in a hard season!  How old is your son?  Has he come from a public school education or has he always been homeschooled?  If he has switched, how long was he in public school and how long have you been homeschooling?  What have you done for homeschooling before CM, if anything?  These answers might give us better ideas to offer you.  For now I’ll try some general suggestions.

    A few thoughts that may or may not be helpful.

    1. Keep narration requests subtle.  “Hmm, I’m not sure what I think of (name a character from reading). What do you think of him?”  “I can’t believe _____ happened.  If I had been there I think I would have _____.  Can you imagine what that would have been like?”  “Would you have done the same thing _____ did in our story today?”  And if he doesn’t want to respond with any real substance just move on.  Share your observation but then let it go.

    2. Do NOT offer a second reading.  If he missed out on the details just offer a sympathetic comment like, “Oh, too bad you miss that part.  It was my favorite.” or “Oh well.  You missed out.”  or offer your own observation “I thought when ____ happened ____ was going to happen.  I was surprised when it didn’t.” (Note, with this one you are still not giving them the information they missed out on, but you may trigger them wondering about it and they may listen better the next time.)  Ultimately you can’t force a child to make relationships with information, you can only present it and let them grab hold or not.  Which brings me to #3…

    3. Are you offering anything they would enjoy?  For example I have a son who loves pirates so if he was struggling to find interest in history or science we would be reading books that have pirates or books about ships and treasure hunting and exploring concepts like buoyancy, gunpowder/weaponry.  In and amongst this we would have learning about wars and battles and nations and geography (who were they stealing from?  where did they travel?  who was trying to capture the pirates? what nation were they working for?  what armaments did they use in battle? who won? who lost? what is a mystery even today? how did the pirating affect other people at the time?)

     

    2Corin57
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    My son despises narration and struggles with it, because it’s HARD for him. He’s so extremely visual, that he struggles with auditory input. Memory recall from auditory input is hard, in fact almost impossible for him. He HAS to see it. So, you might want to consider something like this is going on with your son.  Maybe narration is hard for your son for a biophysical reason.

    Try letting him read the lesson himself, or draw a picture while you read (some kids need to be moving/doing while listening in order to be able to best focus). As for afterwards, try having him write a narration for you, even if it’s just one or two lines to start. Or let him act out the narration. Or build something with Lego to show you what he read about. Or do a drawing or painting or model something out of playdoh. Narration doesn’t have to be just “tell me back what you read”. Make it something that’s easy and engaging for him. There’s a great list on the SCM website of narration ideas. Hopefully someone can find it for you.

    Secondly, I like the previous post – find books that interest him. Ask him what he would like to read about, what he wants to learn about.

    Third, it sounds as though quite honestly, you have more pressing issues to deal with than science or history. As you said – there were unhealthy relationships that have damaged your son as well as your relationship and authority with him. In my opinion, I would probably take a break from the extra lessons and instead pour myself into habits training. If you don’t already own it, I would get a copy of Laying Down the Rails and start working through that. Depending on how serious the issues are with your son etc… then, you might even want to look into seeking some counseling for him and/or the family.

    But I definitely wouldn’t throw in the towel yet. There are other options that can be tried first.

    totheskydear
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    Thanks for the suggestions and for letting me vent, ladies!

    Of course, because I posted that this morning, he gave beautiful narrations so now I feel like a big goon!  I asked him to draw what we read about in our Bible reading and he did a great job with his stick figure lame man being carried to the temple. 🙂

    His favorite things are music, cooking, hiking, and reading.  His favorite books are the Oz series, Thornton Burgess animal books (Paddy Beaver, Prickly Porky, etc.), and the Little House series.  He can tell me quite a bit about those, but his narrations on the Bible and Ancient Egypt books don’t get very much. We’re just wrapping up the SCM Ancient Egypt study and I’m hoping he’ll take to the Ancient Greece study a little better…

    mommamartha
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    Dear happier mom,
    Our oldest son left public school in mid-8th grade from being bullied. He was sometimes difficult to school up until graduation. He ended up getting a morning job on our neighbors beef farm, second year into schooling. He was much more attentive after his physical outlet and he developed a great relationship with our neighbor., Because of his schedule for chores, I gave him the choice to school early am of mid-afternoon. we woke at 5:30am and finished our together work by 8am, when he had to leave and I breakfasted the others and then schooled them. I look back with fondness of those early morning days together, even though it was extremely hard for me because i’m not a early am person and he is. I also, think God gave us that alone time because it was just what we needed!
    I thought maybe this idea would help especially if he has few friends. my son has no friends his own age, most greater than 60. he said there are more reliable and he can relate to them better. Blessings, Martha

    Raines
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    Oh, I’m so glad that you had a better day.  Hard days are so tough!

    I’m praying for you and your family.

    ~Rachel

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