I am still torn with the decision between Sonlight and SCM. Part of it is all the planning is all ready done for me with SL. I have C kids and really need something simple.
I graduated from ABEKA videos and SCM feels wrong. And is there a way to do a loop through history 3 times rather than just 2. How do I make sure my oder kids are getting all they need?
Rebekahy
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After ABEKA - it's no surprise that SCM seems all wrong - they are a lot different, SCM is not filled with torturous busy work, said the girl who went to Christian school through 8th grade with ABEKA and then proceded to teach language arts to jr. highers at a Christian school using the same curriculum.
I have to say, the planning is all done for you with SCM as it is with Sonlight, they just don't plan as much in. Sonlight - in their own catalog lists how many hours the child and parent will likely have to spend in the program each day, and if I remember correctly, it's hours for both parent and student and if you have students in a number of different programs that comes out to a lot of hours for you!
I LOVE SCM, there are some threads on the forum about doing history in four year increments rather than six - I know others have if that's a big concern. Have you read a lot by/about CM? Have you seen the SCM All Day seminar? These are things that can help to build your confidence in the CM method and perhaps put you more at ease. I know coming from ABEKA - I still get a little quesy when I think about not starting spelling and grammar lessons until third grade and even then with such different methods, but the more I read from CM and those who practice CM methods, the more confident that I've become that I can let go of the way I was taught to embrace something that will allow my children to not only enjoy learning (which I always loved), but to enjoy the subject they are being taught (I never really got excited about anything I was taught).
Blessings,
Rebekah
Just wanted to say something here - take it for what it is worth to you. I have used Abeka's boxed curriculum and I have used SCM modules and other guides. I disliked Abeka for the same reason that I love SCM. Here's my experience:
Abeka wanted me to do lots of prep work (for some of it), workbooks, workbooks, workbooks. I was to say exactly what the manual to me to. It is a good program within its scope, but I felt crippled and frustrated by its lack of creativity for me as a teacher and the sameness of all the materials (workbooks, workbooks, workbooks). That was me - and I must admit that I was not using the DVDs. My whole family hated schooling after a while. Abeka is set up along the same lines as PS.
SCM is already planned out for you (ie. 3 days Bible, 1 day history, 1 day geography, or science 3 times a week). The guides tell you what the point of the lesson is aiming for, but allows to you to read and do the material in your own way. They give excellent reference resources to help you acheive that, but also understand that you know your children and their needs, so they allow you room to replace a resource with something else. I enrich as I need to...I have been gathering the books for every subject as I find it, and I have been reading some of the older kids work. I know that my dc will love the literature and it will help them make the connections to all areas of their life. What I love is that I have kids in mulitple levels, and yet it is so simple to do a lesson together and then have them do further things on their own. LOVE that. (You have heard that over and over on this site). I personally need to speed up my modules for history and I combined all the ancients in one year making my rotation a 4year deal...which allows a 1st grader to rotate 3 times through. (Sonya has said that Beautiful Feet has a program that combines it for older kids, in case you haven't seen that).
I have checked into Sonlight several times - the idea of all the lovely literature coming at once is enticing. =) Their 27 reasons Sonlight is not for you almost made me feel guilty for not choosing it, but then I remembered that they are selling a product...and that was just an appeal to my emotions. I don't have to feel pressured to get their stuff just because of it. =) One of the biggest reasons I choose not to use the boxed curriculums is price. With SCM I can teach all of my children for a year for the price of 1 child's curriculum through Sonlight. (And here again, I will admit it has been a number of years since I seriously looked at it, so...that might have changed). I also had to have seperate lessons for everyone. I don't have time to teach all the kids in 4 hour personal blocks everyday. =)
However, if you really need to have the security of the pre-packaged deal, you will proabably be most comfortable with Sonlight. Just add in things like composer/music study, artist/picture study, nature study, hymn study as you go and can.
If you think that CM is too easy/gentle read this: http://simplycharlottemason.com/2011/09/14/is-charlotte-mason-a-gentle-approach-part-1/#more-6335
I guess one of the greatest appeal using SCM is that it allows my children to have the burden of learning, and not make me have the burden of teaching like the boxed curriculums tend to do. We love school now and my kids often suprise me in what they remember and make connections to.
I hope that you can find peace soon! =)
Wings2fly
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I tried Sonlight because all the planning was done for me. But I soon found out that I hated the fact that ALL the planning was done for me. It did not fit my family because each family is unique and NO ONE on SCM is using the same books for everything, guaranteed. With SCM, I have more flexibility to meet the needs of my children with what interests them more or better teaches our family values. If you are concerned about planning, you could try using the SCM planning book or reading through that blog and then just plan one term to try it out. http://simplycharlottemason.com/2008/03/12/new-planning-series/
But, looking back, by us trying Sonlight for a period (we did not get through a whole year of it before switching), I did grow more confident in my own way (lead by the Lord) than in someone else's way using their book choices and their reading schedules. So I believe that God had a purpose for us to try out Sonlight and I have kept some of those books to use with the SCM way. For example, we still use Explode the Code and the Mathtacular dvds. Without having tried Sonlight, I would not have stumbled upon these great resources that work for our family.
I hope that helps. If you are wanting to try Sonlight, could you borrow an Instructors Guide or buy one used on ebay or homeschoolclassifieds and use the books from your library? This way you could gain a little experience with it and find out what from it what works for your family and what does not. Without a lot of money in it, you could easily switch to SCM or others mid-year.
What I did for the history rotations was to do a quick overview in two years, while they are young (in classical, this would be the "what" stage on learning and not so in depth). One of the books we have enjoyed for this is the Usborne Time Traveler used by Sonlight, but I used it for the SCM way. Does that make sense? That leaves me with 10 years to do two more cycles, spending more time as they are older. I will combine modules 1-3 in two years and do modules 4-6 a year for each. So I am doing 3 rotations but it is as: 2 years, 5 years, 5 years. This works for us as I have only 2 children and they are 2 grades apart. So the youngest can focus on areas of interest or lack of knowledge areas or another quick overview in the last years when her brother has graduated. Of course, that is a lot of planning for the next 12 years. This is my plan for now and is subject to change.
Also if you believe in the young earth, Sonlight's author believes in the old earth and some of the Usborne resources they use reflect that. That was another reason we switched from SL.
momto2blessings
Member
I used SL for a few years. It's a great curriculum, but I felt a slave to the schedule and it made me stressed. Also, I love the CM way of doing school, but it was difficult to implement CM ideas when I felt like I had to follow the SL schedule or be 'behind.'
I love that SL was in a box, so to speak, as a new homeschooler. But once I got the hang of planning (Planning your CM Education, sold here is a wonderful resource), I really love being able to tweak our schedule to our needs. Some work up front, but definately worth it. I haven't bought the SCM guides yet...I'm always one module ahead of the guide being done...but buying those would eliminate most planning, I think! Blessings, Gina
momtomany
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We are still in our first year of doing Sonlight. I got it when I was so stressed out about homeschooling, and since we happened to get a bonus at DH's work, we were able to purchase 3 Sonlight Cores (our children are at quite different ages and abilities... I didn't want to be tweaking so much to make one Core work for everyone). It has been a 'lifesaver' for me... we've gotten back on track and I've really felt we've learned a lot more History this year than ever. The literature has been great... they choose good books that I feel support the moral and intellectual growth of my children. No twaddle, as Charlotte Mason would say. BUT I have 3 children that are really doing schoolwork (plus a couple preschoolers that I just make a point to 'teach' informally), and keeping up with 3 Cores, although do-able and enjoyable (I love reading to them), didn't leave ANY time left for other things like foreign language, music, art, or enough outdoor time (or housework). After continuing through my first trimester, I was feeling a little burned out trying to keep up with the schedule (and not feel behind). I had set a goal to carry on through the summer (we never break more than a month or so in the summer anyways) because the number of weeks left in the Cores was 2 weeks less than the number of weeks left in my pregnancy, but I ended up taking about a 7 week break.
Then I discovered Charlotte Mason and it really suits my style and philosophies about education. Also, I don't think we can afford to get three (or four) more Cores when we are through with these. But I do have a great home library of literature and historical fiction and texts like Saxon, and Apologia, and Story of the World (SO many I've picked up for very little cost at booksales). We are enjoying the literature from the Sonlight Cores, so I plugged all the Sonlight books and assignments they have left into the SCM scheduler... and we are continuing without the stress of the deadlines. We just get as much done as we can by about 2 or 3pm (we don't get started until about 10am) and when life happens, that's just life... next day we start where we left off.
Since all my planning is done for now, I'm now looking ahead. Before #8 arrives, I want to have next year all planned a la Charlotte Mason style. The SCM planning book makes it seem so straightforward and simple. When we are done with these Cores, then I'm going to combine a lot of their subjects to save myself some time so that we can add in the other things we've been missing. In the meantime, we are gradually incorporating more and more Charlotte Mason, like I've started a little with oral narration. Also, for the 7yo in particular, I make sure that he has a little reading, then a little writing, then some time listening to me read, and so on, varying the types of activities and I find we get through his schoolwork easier that way now.
Long post, but my point is I think SL is great in a lot of ways. If I would choose any boxed curriculum, it would be Sonlight hands down. (We've done a lot of Abeka in past years as well). But with my larger family and financial considerations, I won't be using it next year. (I'll still keep a catalogue though for reference). I'm excited about next year and I'm going to go to a Charlotte Mason group for a while and I'm going to slowly get my homeschool closer and closer to Charlotte Mason ideals.
God called me to homeschool my kids, I'm sure of this. And He will make it work... even though in my own eyes I'm organizationally challenged and only a mediocre mom. I'm learning to trust Him more and more to lead our homeschool, instead of always feeling like I'm inadequate and searching for the 'curriculum' answer to the perfect homeschool for my kids.
So I guess the answer to your question is to ask God to show you the answers you need. Look at the resources God has provided you with (I wouldn't go into debt to use a boxed curriculum, for example). And try not to worry too much.... keep at it... doing some everyday, even if it doesn't always seem like enough, and your kids'll keep making progress. If they miss a certain period of history or don't learn much about a particular science discipline... they are still going to do JUST FINE. If you can find a way to make your homeschool life a little easier for a while (concentrate on only a few subjects that they can do more independently for a while, like individual reading, penmanship, math workbooks/texts) while you take the time to prepare some homeschooling plans and 'regroup', that might be helpful and give you time to think about your goals and make a plan... having a plan is a real lifesaver. That's one of the things I love about Sonlight... it's planned out... and I'm sure that's one of the things people love about the SCM as well.
My first years of homeschooling were a bit hit and miss to say the least. (NO plan). They got phonics, printing, grammar (Abeka), I read to them lots (quite a bit of historical fiction but all out of order), we've always done well with Math, but they hardly had to write anything (besides penmanship workbooks), and other subjects were either just touched on or practically neglected. Now I have an 18 year old who knows she wants to be a paramedic so she is taking a couple of Grade 12 science courses at the local highschool to get the final credits she needs (she did a couple online courses last year at home)... and she is doing VERY WELL. She has her NLS(Lifeguard) and Swim Instructor's qualifications and has started a job at the local rec centre with that. I can see now that she is going to do just fine... but I worried a lot over the years unnecessarily.
Janell
Member
Warning...this post is long and may seem unrelated to the question at hand.
I think Sonlight may be a great help the first year. It is an example of how to flow the day with read alouds. However, I have Sonlight instructor guides from preK to year 7, and I have yet to complete one exactly as written. That frustrated me at first and my insecurity took over for a time yet we were reading excellent books. I got on some rabbit trail many years ago using the All Through the Ages booklist guide and we are all still on that trail...but we have bumped into World War 1. I use my library extensively and classic books (we own three kindles). I feel very limited with other's curriculum plans when we have so many resources available around us. I stopped worrying about the perfect history cycles too after I saw how my children enjoy reading from a variety of books. My read alouds have a form of chronological order, yet are less "school" than family fellowship.
I highly recommend Charlotte Mason's actual educational methods, Planning Your Charlotte Mason Education Guide from SCM, the SCM Online Organizer, and All Through the Ages. These are the main things that have transformed our homeschooling journey.
Here are some snippets from other posts of mine which may seem unrelated to your question but emphasizes the reason why I enjoy All Through the Ages and the SCM resources over my collection of Sonlight instructors guides (the SCM online orgainzer is my personalized instructor's guide):
I love All Through the Ages as my spine because it is a great big chronological list of biographies and events. I can easily see who or what is next in the timeline and request books on the list and other resources about the same topic available in my library system that are excellent too but not on any homeschooling list. For example, I requested, after looking at my All through the Ages, books about the Teddy Roosevelt, Shackleton's Endurance Expedition, the San Fransico Earthquake in 1906, the Titanic, Lusitania, more Robert Ballard's shipwreck discoveries, Albert Einstein, Marie Curie, and a basic World War 1 book (The Yanks are Coming)... to name a few. We are using 4 library cards and always max them to full capacity. So, we are reading, together and individually, through a diverse amount of books around the same time period. I request and renew the same books again if we don't get through it...or just move on.
Today I met my neighbor who was in a Japanese prison camp when he was 16 years old for one and a half years. He told us his story for an hour. Wow. I am realizing that the stories about people are so important...read in a book or learned from other's experiences. I think we can worry too much about which spines to use and not realize the great resources we have around us ready for discovery. I planned my school this year only to realize that when I overplan I don't get to the doing of the plan. I would rather just open a book that is available and read even if that means that next week our books may set us back ten or twenty years in our history sequence. My children connect well with their books and can see how it generally fits in the scheme of things...even if slightly mixed.
As far as using the SCM organizer with my eclectic way of doing history, I just put in the ISBN numbers of the books we are reading in the add your resources and then we click them off as we read them. If we have a large list of books and I want to omit a book for a day or two from the list, I can click the arrow next to the resource and it disappears from a printed sheet. I print up daily sheets for everyone to check off throughout the day.
I have often marvelled at the simplicity and beauty of the SCM organizer. How did someone get into my mind...because it was designed similar to the way I think. It details our homeschool journey, organizes the resources we have on hand, and remains so flexible. We enjoy together organization with spontaneity like strawberry lemonade.
And just a note, SCM modules are deeper than they may appear because the Bible is intricately woven through these well done, affordable, pliable plans. I love all of Sonya's offerings here at SCM. Can you tell?
Janell
Thank you sooooo much for helping this mama out.
I have a peace about our choices this year that I have NEVER had. And I have homeschooled for 7 years.
Now to put it all together!
maynegirl
Member
Yes, thank you to all who wrote responses. As a new homeschool mommy I have enjoyed reading about your experiences and observations.
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