SCM School, and still taking ALL DAY???

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  • kellywright006
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    Guideance Please…..I am exhausted. Need support. Drained.

    7th year homeschooling. 6 girls. 6th, 4th, 3rd, K, 3yer, {cute} 5 month old baby!Laughing

    This is my first year doing alomst everything that is recommended on this site (which I LOVE BTW)  🙂 I just am hoping to get some feedback here. I believe and long to do what CM people recommend, have afternoons for handi-crafts, and explorations. This all SOUNDS good. {BUT} We are still doing school A-L-L day long! What am I doing wrong? I am thinking a bluk of my day is my 12 year old–6th grade daughter. Average student. Hard worker. Good attitude (Thank God)  🙂

    Here is what we do:

    Daily: Devotions: Sally Michael’s (God’s Providence, Names of God, God’s Promises Series *LOVE*)

    Daily: Spelling Wisdom: As copywork Monday, Dictation Tuesday, Copywork Wednesday, Dictation Thursday

    Daily: RightStart Math: 4 Levels (Level G takes the LONGEST)

    Daily: Analytical Grammer: (for 6th grader) About 45  minutes a day–needs my help (it is HARD–even for me)

    Apologia: (Almost never have time for)

    Daily: Module 6

    Daily: Memory: Verse and Hymn

    Daily: Paino

    Daily: Quiet Reading

    I don’t think I’m doing too much for each child, it’s just that all together it’s a lot.

    My friend who gives her kids workbooks as independent work—is a lot less stressed! 

    In looking at the above curriculum list, ALL ALL ALL of it is TEACHER DIRECTED. Aside from copywork and hymn memory.

    I am feeling I need to spend time with little ones. BUT, my oldest needs help with Geopmtry and AG—-In fact, when I help her, I need help and end up calling either company.

    Am I doing something wrong here?

     

    Bookworm
    Participant

    Do you HAVE to do complete lessons every day for the AG and geometry?  It seems those are pretty advanced for a 12yo—my kids are really good at math, and we rarely hit geometry before 8th grade.  Also I save most of our grammar study for middle school.  Could you find ways to lighten this up some?  This seems like a long time to be spending per day on those subjects for that age.  I have never used Right Start or AG, so I don’t know if splitting is feasible.  For that age, I usually do little grammar past a little that we need to help in dictations and narrations and foreign language (we usually begin Latin around this age.)  We use MUS and rarely take more than 20-30 minutes a day at this age.  

     

    eawerner
    Participant

    Just wanted to mention that I keep hearing how RS geometry is a killer. That it seems to be too much for many kids. Perhaps skip geometry until hs like most other schedules do?

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    I agree with Bookworm. We’ve used AG and shortened it. We did one season per year in 6th-8th. Plenty of time to complete the program. Though Season Two did stretch us:) Thankfullly Season Three is a breeze so far! Some things we did to shorten were:

    1) If you stretch a season a full year you can just do labeling one day and diagramming the next. This cuts daily time in half.

    2) if my dd knew the lesson well we’d do just half of the sentences per page.

    For math, I can’t imagine trying to do geometry in 6th grade. That’s great if she’s that advanced, but if it were me and I was stressed I’d slow up on the math program, or do something else for a period (maybe Life of Fred or something like SCMs math).

    I’d also try to transfer any readings to my kids to do independently if I could. Just what I’d try;) It sounds like you’re doing a great job. Hope you feel some relief soon! Blessings, Gina

    suzukimom
    Participant

    Also RightStart Level G is supposed to be student lead (and they can email for help to RS if needed…) – I haven’t done it with any of the kids though… I think as she is quite young I would do something else for a bit too…  

    Karen
    Participant

    I feel like I;m doing school all day, too — but my problem is that I set the children to do something and then I do a household chore and then I get distracted and then I have to call the children back to do more school.  And then i get distracted and I have to call them back. And then I get distracted and I have to call them back…..see what happens at my house? *L* 

    Is that happening at your house?    Perhaps changing you daily “rhythm” or “schedule” or “order” would help. 

    Perhaps changing your math and grammar curriculum would help.  I actually do Christian Light Education’s Math and Language Arts with my children.  They are “workbooks”, but the girls can do them on their own, with moderate help from me.  They are learning, and that’s what’s important.  Everything else is done “CM way”.

     

     

    HiddenJewel
    Participant

    I come up with about 4:00 hours total.

    Devotions (together): 15 minutes
    Spelling (together): 15 minutes
    RightStart: 30 minutes
    Anaytical Grammar: 5 minutes of your time, 10 more of hers (What is she doing that is taking 45 minutes?) – 
    Apologia (together): 30 minutes
    History (together): 30 minutes
    Memory work (together): 15 minutes
    Piano (on their own?): 30 minutes
    Silent reading (on own): 30 minutes

    Work on math individually while others are doing piano and silent reading.

    HiddenJewel
    Participant

    PS. The RightStart Geometry isn’t like high school geometry.

    Wings2fly
    Participant

    Have you listed and timed how long you are spending on these? Where is most of your time spent? What could you change? I am trying to keep up with 2 levels of RightStart. I am betting much of your time is spent on math. Do you spend 30 min. on each of 4 levels? That is 2 hours for math only. I agree with the others to wait on level G, or to do it every other day and something easier, independent instead. We take breaks from RS and I have my 4th grader read Life of Fred. But I am looking into CLE Sunrise math worksheets for practice on days I do not teach RS. When doing level G, RS recommends every other day on Video text pre-algebra, taking 2 years for both. For the other levels, you could alternate a lesson and a math game. So day 1 is 2 students math lessons and the other 2 students math games (together). Day 2, do math games with the first two students (together) & math lessons with the other 2 students.

    I get distracted easily too. Having a schedule to go by helps. I do not do it, but I have heard of some setting a timer for math lessons and picking up where they left off on the next day. Do you play the math games? Could you have 2 or 3 of your children play the math games on their own? I am just now getting to a point to do this for some games.

    kellywright006
    Participant

    I know I can switch curriculum, more of a workbook appraoch and save myself a lot of time.

    BUT {{{{{IF SCM IS RECOMMENDING HAVING AFTERNOONS OFF, WHY ARE THEY RECOMMENDING SUCH TEACHER INTENSIVE CURRICULUMS THAT TAKE A LONG TIME?}}}}}}}}}}   I bet they do, because they are great curriculums (I agree). It’s just frustrating me, because multiple children + teacher directed curriculum = no afternoons off

    In reference to time frames listed above, Hidden Jewel, the 4 hour total above is only for one child. I have a 6 kids, one of them a nursing baby.  🙂

    We take 30 minutes for devotions (with hymn singing and prayer time and scripture memory)

    RightStart G has 2-3 worksheets per day, and usually we have to call the hotline 3 times a week just to get through the lesson. So that’s for sure an easy 45 minues. Teaching RS is the teacher and student sitting together, every day, for every level. (I teach 3 leveles every day, trying to work in my K’er)

    Using RightStart has been an unbelievable blessing. I would hope to never swtich from this curriculum. (struggling thru G)(it is NOT independent, several friends in the same boat as me on that one!)

    At the beginning of AG also, and it has been wonderful in how it teaches her to think. (takes 45 minutes to do a lesson)!!

    I just know SCM is trying to lead us into simplicity, but I don’t think the above formula is SIMPLE. Maybe I’m hoping for somwthing that doesnt exsist. But, maybe the {ideal} they are holding out for us is impossible with so mnay children.

    HiddenJewel
    Participant

    What is taking your daughter 45 minutes with AG? That seems like a really long time for that program.

     

    Sue
    Participant

    SCM does recommend spreading out AG over three years, and even on AG’s website, they show a 3-year timeline where you only do units 1-10 in 6th grade. Looking at the sample unit 3, it seems as though you could end up spending a long time on it if, for example, you read through the notes on day 1, then completed exercise 1 on day 2, etc.

    What I would do, rather than rush to finish those 10 units in the first 10 weeks of the school year, only do grammar 3 or 4 days per week. As someone else mentioned, you could do only the labeling part of the exercise one day and the diagramming the next time. Instead of using the AG review course, there is nothing wrong with stretching it out into 20 weeks or even longer if you need to. Or you could make it simply a matter of time: whether you work with her the entire time or not, I would just stop altogether after 20 minutes for the day and pick up where you left off next time.

    As for the geometry lessons, since you say you are calling their hotline so frequently, it’s probably not the easiest subject for you. Although, I am good at math but often have a tough time explaining it all to my oldest daughter. She is struggling with algebra, but it’s been difficult for her to get it when I do all the teaching. We had to ditch MUS and take up Teaching Textbooks. She still finds algebra to be hard work, but she is finally getting it slowly but surely. Perhaps a different math curriculum would be better for your daughter.

    On the other hand, maybe you could look into a homeschooling mom tutor of sorts. If there is someone who is good at teaching math, you might ask if she could come over a time or two each week to give you a break by teaching the lesson & working with your daughter, maybe while you read literature to her kids along with your own. Don’t give up–you’ll find a solution to this.

    And don’t forget to combine subjects whenever possible. We’ve done that with literature and history for quite some time now, and until the kids were a bit older, they would take turns narrating orally.

    kellywright006
    Participant

    Oh, if we are doing something wrong with it, I would love to know!  🙂

    Do you have any experience with it? From what we’ve done is, for each Unit, there is a teaching sheet we go through on Monday, then right after that she does Monday’s worksheet. There are 3 more worksheet days and then a test. The worksheets take a LONG time! I triend to do it with her, and I got quite a few wrong. (I used to be a classroom teacher too!)  There are 10 complex sentences on each worksheet, each with multiple prepresitional phrases: where you have to label every single word in every sentence.

    Then, you have to diagram every sentence.  After that, there is a backside to the worksheet.

    The nice thing about the program is it is only TEN weeks, and after that, it’s only one sheet every other week to keep skills fresh!  🙂

    I don’t see how I can cut time off what she is doing. She doesn’t appear to be dwadling. And she is an average student.

    HiddenJewel
    Participant

    It would be very frustrating to be doing school all day long when things are supposed to be easier. And, yes, RightStart is VERY teacher intensive although a great program. The possible trouble areas to me are that your oldest may be working on material that is too far above her level indicated by how long it takes to do RS Level G and the Analytical Grammar. Have you checked with RightStart if Level G should be able to be done independently by the student or if it is meant to be as teacher-intensive as the other levels?

    Another option to consider is doing Science on day and History the next.

    From what I can glean with what you have posted, these are the requirements on your time for your school-aged children provided that your 6th grader needs this much input from you on her independent subjects:

    2 hours total together; 2:15 hours total working one-on-one

    :30 Together Daily: Devotions: Sally Michael’s (God’s Providence, Names of God, God’s Promises Series *LOVE*)

    :15 Together Daily: Spelling Wisdom: As copywork Monday, Dictation Tuesday, Copywork Wednesday, Dictation Thursday

    :30 Together Apologia

    :30 Together Daily: Module 6

    :15 Together Daily: Memory: Verse and Hymn

     

    :15 Individual Daily: RightStart Math: Kindergarten

    :30 Individual Daily: RightStart Math: 3rd Grade

    :30 Individual Daily: RightStart Math: 4th Grade

    :45 Individual Daily: RightStart Math: 6th Grade

    :15 Individual Daily: Analytical Grammer: 6th Grade (If it is taking longer, it makes me wonder if it is not a good fit for her yet.)

     

    HiddenJewel
    Participant

    I like Sue’s idea of spreading the AG out to more weeks.

    And reviewing if Level G is the best fit for your 6th grader this year sounds like a good plan.

    You are really at the place where it sounds like streamlining and readjusting schedules would be a God-send. It is easy to try do  too much so nothing ends up being done well. 

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