Difficulty with spelling….

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  • cdm2kk
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    My son is 7 about to be 8 and he is reading very well. I accidently gave him the wrong reader book a few weeks back and he read the chapter to me with no problems and later I realized my error. The book I gave him is for 3-4th graders or 9-11 year olds. He actually read the word avalanche on tv without blinking an eye and my husband was blown away since this isn’t a word you see every day. He has excellent penmanship when he really does try to write nice, and his math and narrations are all on target for his age, but we are coming to a grinding halt with spelling, dictation, or any writing. I started him on AAS and he is on level 2, step 1 and we can not get past it and he he can not spell words from the previous steps correctly every time. Things jjust aren’t sticking. He gets them right some of the time and then acts as though he has never seen the word at other times. I decided to take a break and plug the words into spelling city and have him play some games with the words and have a little fun with it, and he failed the test with a 50 something. So at this point I just don’t know where to go. I watched him to make sure he had them right over and over….give the test and bam wrong. he isn’t nervous about the test as he really isn’t bothered if he gets it right or not, but as we continue with the same words, he is getting frustrated. he spells drink…jrink….think…thenk…spend…..spind 

    I really wouldn’t sweat any of this dueto his age, but he wants to write and he keeps trying and he gets mad that we can’t read what he hasa written due to the bad spelling. I know Charlotte talks about not letting them write words wrong, but how am I to stop him from doing that? His personal notes look like this…. Dad can u pay bal wit me ples? sory abot mes my rom is clen. 

    Now he does still reverses his 3’s 9’s and his b & d’s……..waiting for him to outgrow this….

    1. Is this normal for a boy this age?

    2. Should I just keep going with AAS even though he can not spell the words consistently correct?

    3. Should I take a break from spelling all together?

    4. Should I correct his notes?

    5. Should I wait and not do any dictation. I was giving him sentences like She has a cat, and he isn’t having a problem doing it, but he can’t spell some of the words, even if he does spell them correctly on the test.

    Thoughts, ideas, anything is welcomed. I usually can find a creative solution, but nothing seems to move the information from short term to long term…..was having this same problem with place value in math, but finally got that to cross over. 🙂

     

    TailorMade
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    I have lots of ideas and suggestions, but I just got back from PT and I’m wiped out.  CM suggests later approach after super solid reading is a short answer @ CM style.  I’m a hodgepodge, as you know. 

    More later…

    TailorMade
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    1. Normal for boys this age, at least at our house and for most of the boys I’ve taught in the past.

    2.  You might want to back track a bit and slow down.  There are other OG spelling resources that are more detailed.  But, each of them have strengths and weaknesses.  Searching for a better curriculum sometimes just means more time and money spent.  Using the same one a little later, a little slower, a bit differently, consistently may be just as good as finding another curriculum and it not producing any better results at this point. 

    @Christie, didn’t you go back to SWR after AAS?  That’s the only similar curriculum that focusses more on rules that I can think of that’s reasonably user friendly.  WRTR can be a nightmare to figure out.

    3.  Probably, or slow down and discuss what’s going on with each card more than once.

    4.  I’m not sure I’d correct his notes that are written outside of learning time.  Others may not agree.  You’re not going to be able to catch everything he’s trying to write at this point.  Maybe make note of words you notice him not spelling correctly and go over those in a format with which he is familiar the next day/week?

    5.  I’d continue copywork, but postpone dictation lessons.  Again, just me.  I think the Spelling Wisdom (dication focussed spelling lessons) are suggested for 3-12 grades.  But, I’d say that’s also based on readiness.

    As far as AAS is concerned, you might use the tiles more, even if he balks, instead of writing.  That movement uses a different part of the brain and may help make things move from the concrete to abstract.  There are times when he most likely knows how to spell correctly, but rushes, or doesn’t connect that fact that he does know how to figure it out.  I’ve seen this with my kids anyway.  I can ask them to look at a misspelled word and say “tell me how this word should be spelled instead of the way you’ve written it down on the paper.”  If they are forced to go through the process more carefully, they usually get it right.  Works this way for early years math for mine, too….especially with borrowing/carrying types of problems.  I make them “teach” it to me for quite a while until there are fewer and fewer mistakes.

    hth….I get stuck in these areas with mine, too.  It’s easier to consider options when it’s not your own kid.  When I’m in the middle of it with my own, my brain tends to freeze and I forget that I know how to help them solve it.  That’s why I think helping them slow down and think things through works.  They are doing the same thing I do in other areas.  Brain freeze.  Slowly thaw it out.  Voila! 

    Wink

     

    TailorMade
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    Oh, lots of helpful hints in here:

    http://simplycharlottemason.com/category/spelling-2/

    This chart suggests informal spelling instruction until about 4th grade. 

    http://simplycharlottemason.com/planning/curriculum-guide/old-scmguide/

     

    cdm2kk
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    Thanks Becca. Wink

    TailorMade
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    Visit the “Convince me on dictation or AAS” thread for more suggestions. 

    I’m becoming more deliberate with combining dictation and AAS with our 14yos.  I’m only using copywork for 7yod, not dictation.  She’s not ready for it, yet. 

    cdm2kk
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    yes, I have been stalking that thread. Tongue out I am going to try some things this next week and see how it goes. The dictation, I have written the sentence on a small white board and I will have him study it. Going to try that COPS method….. great stuff that! then we will see if that helps to take the pressure off. As for the spelling, well I received some great advice from a lady off of the Sonlight forum and we will see if her suggestions help. She seems to be very familiar with AAS. Both kids just are not writing very much and I am trying to get them more time holding a pencil. I do not want to lose all our work in penmanship due to lack of use. The dictation I am using is McFaddens… His last sentence was Sue has a cat.  then I show him that since he can spell cat, he can also spell bat, fat, hat, mat, pat, rat, & sat    that kind of thing…..  this is just once a week.

    I have him do a copywork piece once a week and then he has penmanship 3 times a week.  this is the extent of his writing for right now.

    As for spelling, he likes the spelling city games so I think I will slow the AAS lessons way down and let him have his fun with the silly hangman games etc… I’m not gonna stress about it.

     

    Thanks though I do appreciate it…you know I just let myself go through that silly cycle.Smile 

    TailorMade
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