Thank you so much, Jordan. I will be ordering both the parents and children's version asap:) Blessings!

We now recommend using Laying Down the Rails for Children rather than A Child's Book of Character Building. This is largely because the second volume of A Child's Book of Character Building is out of print.

I am very new to this website, though I've heard a lot about SCM. I am wondering if these new Laying Down the Rails for Children should be used instead of A Child's Book of Character Building or together? Thank you for your help

Thank you. That is very helpful.

I am reading both of these, but haven't finished. It seems that Raising Godly Tomatos is "how to"regarding obedience mostly. Laying Down the Rails covers obedience plus many, many other wonderful character traits.

I would like to read and/or follow one line of thinking/disciplining, so I'm wondering if one of these covers both??  I guess I'm trying to ask: Is RGT mostly the "how to" of for the parent/child and LDTR is for habit training in all areas of life??

I think I have LDTR (not the new bundle) or a cd from Sonya, but I'd like to invest in one of these.  I have been reading RGT from the site (I think I have in the past as well) and there is some great info/how to's but I think I'd like the LDTRs, as well.  I just don't want, or need, to confuse myself with conflicting messages from different perspectives on parenting/disciplining, etc.  I'd like them to compliment each other. 

Thank you in advance and....

Did I make any sense??!! 

We're glad the Laying Down the Rails workshop is helpful to you. The MP3 is the same workshop recording as the DVD.

We are seeing some success as well.  My biggest challenge is to stop giving them the choice to obey versus just obeying w/o knowing the consequence.  For example, "Please pick it up now or you'll stand at the corner." I need to say, "Please pick it up now."  I need to figure out the flow of the staking as well.  But tantrums from my dd6 (with special needs) have improved significantly.  And we've limited our play time with neighbors that have had an influence on my ds5.  My dd2 was doing really well with this but she just started this screaming thing if someone plays with "her" toy.  I'm not sure how to handle that one yet!  We are also working on the "yes, mom" like wings2fly mentioned.  We also used to count to 3...ugh, I had no idea that was training them to obey us on the 3rd time! 

I haven't gotten my husband on board yet b/c we seem to shift discipline models frequently.  It's probably due to us lacking consistencey but the majority of them work briefly.  I'm sticking to this one though so I'll give him the info soon so he's on board. 

I just listened to the Laying Down the Rails DVD again. I love it!!! I always feel so encouraged and a renewed focus when I listen to this. I'm so grateful for this resource!

The mp3 is the exact same thing, right? I only own the DVD, but an mp3 version appeals for the portability quality... although it would be easier to justify the purchase if it was actually different than what I already own. ;)

Chapter 10 of Raising Godly Tomatoes has a section on whining. It is free to read online.

Skimming through real quick I can see that Sweet, Even Temper or Self-Control or Obedience would handle whining.

That is great for your young one. It is helping for me to train my 6 yo and 9 yo in the habit to say, "Yes, mom" each time instead of me counting to 3 like I used to do a few years ago or them saying "but..." or just ignoring me and I repeat myself again...And Again...AND AGAIN. I am seeing the value in them helping along side of me too. They are learning how to do things with their hands and help each other as a family and work as a team. They still have some times of freedom, but I have one help me in the kitchen cooking.
The hardest thing is working on the changing self part...
Stay diligent.

Update...I haven't made nearly the progress I'd like with my 4 and 6 yo kiddos b/c I haven't trained myself well enough...imagine that!!  However, it's working wonderfully with my 1 yo.  I've chosen one thing at a time to teach him no about.  We've got the toilet, the cookbook shelf, a book cupboard, and the gate that's supposed to keep him of the steps which he now can open by himself all down now...and maintaining well!  He has also greatly improved at sitting nicely in church since I've been working on sitting him on my lap several times a week with just a book for a few minutes with no squiriming.  Sooooo...onward!  I'm committed.  I think I need more focussed goals for my older two...maybe...at least I know I was very specific about what I was working on with the 1 yo.  But, no...really I think I (and they) just don't get the tomato-staking yet.  I've given them too much freedom to do their own thing, and it's proving very hard for all of us to DO IT.  So, I guess I just need to focus on that to get rolling better with those two...maybe finding more positive ways to stay together.  That's what I'll do now.

How's it going for you other ladies?  I was really hoping one of my "flesh and blood" (haha - as opposed to "cyber") friends would join me in this quest...but I guess not.  So, once again...I'm glad for you like-minded souls here!   It helps me to hear about your progress and goals...and it helps me to be accountable when I've said it here.  Have a great week gals!

Looking into purchasing these books and I was wondering how it's going for those who have already begun implementing.  Please share your experiences so far!  

Is there a specific character trait that we could start with in this book that is good for whining???